G Class Proffessional
Well it’s not often that I lust after a new MB but I want one of these……..now:lol: :lol:
Me too ... with double rear doors and those truck-like heated mirrors.
This G has ruggedness and durability more than any other, with reinforced chassis and axles, 24v starter and everlasting interior.
More of the black PUR
where are these pics from rick? bloody awesome mate. never seen them before..
Interior shots
where are these pics from rick? bloody awesome mate. never seen them before..
Here's some links to the black G PUR:
http://www.4wheelfun.de/fahrbericht/mercedes-g280-cdi-edition-30.pur_168...
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/test-mercedes-g-280-cdi-edition-pur_98134...
If you prefer white:
http://www.4wheelfun.de/supertest/supertest-mercedes_180165.html
http://www.autozeitung.de/vergleichstest/mercedes-g-280-edition-pur-offr...
What is the market for this W461 in the UK? I've already been in touch with MBUK.
Wallpaper
Good to see so much interest in a proper G. Theres been far to much attention paid to the hairdresser's models of late.
Interesting lack of articulation!!!
Interesting lack of articulation!!!
Yes, heavy duty and apparently very stiff springs; an opportunity to demonstrate the rear diff lock.
mate, these pics have made my day.... :P
mark, your right mate, these are proper G's, as they should be.
i now know where to position the hella lamps i have in cabrio. :wink:
fantastic motor....
i think its gonna replace my AMG.lhd cars in cyprus were not allowed so it was out of the question,now the rhd G is official I am finally decided !
You wouldn't accuse Mike Tyson of being inarticulate would you?!
That looks like an awesome bit of kit. I thought that G's have always suffered with a slight lack of articulation compared to the alternatives but made up for it with the diff-locks. Is that right?
I also love the fact that one of the interior shots highlights the wind-up windows.
You wouldn't accuse Mike Tyson of being inarticulate would you?!
.
....well not to his face maybe :wink:
I was trying to be a little provocative with my comment - I'm sure with a decent load onboard the suspension would shine.
that articulation is similar to my cabrios :?
its the stiff orc spring that i know realise need the weight of an overland expedition luggage in the boot and roof rack.
mark wrote:Good to see so much interest in a proper G. Theres been far to much attention paid to the hairdresser's models of late.
Seriously that is a serious lack of articulation. For “normal†use I’m sure you could spec. it with softer springs though. Or (and I’m getting this from Mario on P3) is it lack of travel on the shocks?
Russ
Oddly enough just as I was posting this there were a couple of posts discussing exactly this on P3.
If you look at the pictures of the white one in particular you can see that there is pretty much zero compression on the right hand side resulting in the left wheel lifting. Reason appears to be very stiff springs, nothing to do with damper travel.
Huss you may well be correct in saying all would be fine when it’s loaded up for an expedition. My question to you would be why do you want to load it up? That’s exactly what you should be attempting to avoid. Weight kills any vehicle in this type of use.
OK if you are serious and need to carry significant amounts of fuel and water, say 500kg, but how many people take on trips like that?
A picture example below, enough gear, food (dried, I banned cans) for 6 to 8 weeks across Europe and Morocco. 3 large adults (2 sons due to size and muscle, me other reasons :lol: ). It’s on standard MB springs and you will see pretty much zero suspension sag. Ride nice and compliant, handling predictable and reasonable articulation resulting in easy off road behaviour.
We all like to tinker, modify, improve but have faith in your std. G :D
russ you are right mate, too much weight in a G is not a good thing but i guess the army have different criteria.
i think the advantage orc springs have are that they are lifetime !! and i must say that they are good when braking heavily or driving in a brisk manner down windy roads.
i fitted orc's to ruby but removed them when i got the original ones from mb through orc, at a good price too at the time :wink:
i think i will stick to stock springs too from now on purely because a standard G CAN DO MORE than we could imagine...
i have 35's going on soon so i guess the lift will have its benifits...
rgds hus55
Meh.... Bit too basic for my liking.... but please, honestly, don't let that stop you :wink:
No leather
No Air con
No Blue MB sill lights
No CD Player
No V8 Engine..
But it is a G and I really like the Grip tape squares on the bonnet on the black one..... can one of you 'rufty tufty' off roaders please explain why it is there? (No for me you understand, errrr the wife wants t know!)
Spider1V - 463, that's for me! 8)
this is how all romances start spider :P
you sound like.... "gone with the wind......."
this is a proper G no doubt about it, as for the strips on the bonnet.....they are so you can stand on the bonnet without denting it or slipping. btw, its reinforced on the inside too !!
6 months later we see the spider family in an all black one........ :D
But it is a G and I really like the Grip tape squares on the bonnet on the black one..... can one of you 'rufty tufty' off roaders please explain why it is there? (No for me you understand, errrr the wife wants t know!)
Spider1V - 463, that's for me! 8)
So V8 owners don't slip off the bonnet when their begging for mercy :wink: :twisted:
Walk on bonnet is an option.
Does have air con, but not the modern climate control.
Forgetting it's rufty tufty looks, the biggest plus about the 461 is the electrics are much better positioned and protected then a current 463.
i think i will stick to stock springs too from now on purely because a standard G CAN DO MORE than we could imagine...
rgds hus55
Correct, out of the box I don’t think there much to beat them on or off road :D
If you know what you’re doing and have the money a LR Defender or a Suzuki can make a G look pretty silly though :cry:
Not just electrics, maybe air intakes Mark?
Sorry couldn’t resist :lol:
Where did you get the blue lights Spider? Special offer from Max Power mag? :wink:
Russ
I will agree with all. I had my big V8, and don't get me wrong, it is nice, but I enjoy my oil burner more.
The only thing I strongly disagree with is the springs. I don't know if I do something wrong, but I have broken 5 springs in 6 years. I will never drive on MB springs again. ORC is the way to go, the drive is as soft, and they last. The only down side is that it seems like they lift a wheel a bit quicker.
I was one of the unlucky ones who got some cash in recently, and considered getting one of these, I rather bought a flat and I'll drive my chip fat G until it dies.
:lol: very true, although it's only the 96 > 00 that have drivers that don't know where the air intake is. :D
Why do all the new PUR's or Professional range have stiffer springs then? On paper they carry no more then a 463. All these pics are stock 461's, not lifted with aftermarket stuff.
Is it just ruffty tuffty off road bling, or another reason.
I would go for the bling idea. How many people will pay that for a car and then ruff and tumble it?
I said the springs are a weak point, but at the same time I have to admit that always happen when you ask to much of the car.
I would go for the bling idea. How many people will pay that for a car and then ruff and tumble it?
I'd go for Bling as well, AKA Heavy Duty :lol:
G wagen porn :)
G wagen porn :)
Nothing wrong with that! So, back to the titillation ...
The electronics in the G Professional are housed in the box between the front seats, along with the third battery that powers the 12V circuit. The other two batteries are in the engine compartment.
Erm
Actually I fitted soft car type springs in the rear of the van, visually she sits a bit low, I thought I had broken them when I was hauling 4000kg and boy they werent half squished :roll: ., however seems not as she went through the MOt.
So perhaps somteimes softer is better?
There are quite a few flex shots can be seen at http://www.arpem.com/pruebas/coches/mercedes/2009/mercedes-clase-g-28d-e...
The write-up on this site mentions a new rear anti-roll bar, which likely explains the lack or articulation.
rick, where you getting all these links from mate? brilliant,keep them coming :wink: [i coudnt open that link :cry: ]
btw, how do you compare your JK with your G ?? have often thought of looking at one.
rgds hus.
Try http://www.arpem.com/pruebas/coches/ and scroll down the page a bit; these links all result from Google searches.
With regard to the JK, see http://www.gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8847&postda...
"... and getting back to the original question posed. The Wrangler is only half as good as the G, but then again its only half the price!
The Wrangler JK is the first to come in a four door version. The striking things when moving from a G are how thin the bodywork feels, how cheap the plastic looks, how high the dashboard is and how small the windows. All 'round visibility in the G is superb by comparison. The four door Rubicon version is the one with front and rear difflocks, but unfortunately not available in the UK. There is no undersealing that I can see, so rust in our climate is likely to be a problem.
The VM Motori 2.8 CRD engine has reasonable power and torgue. The 21mpg is a pleasant change after the G's 12-14mpg. This should be a reasonably durable engine as well; see www.vmmotori.it/en/01/....jsp?id=56
There are things to like about the JK. Although the body is thin, the chassis looks reasonably strong. The whole of the roof is removable and replaceable with a soft-top. There is an enormous range of after-market bits to buy to modify it, although you have to be prepared to import most from the US; better when there was $2 to the pound, less so now. The JK pictured has an ARB 2" lift, front and rear steel bumpers [to replace the horrible plastic ones], so doesn't look too shabby next to the G.
So here I go adding all the aftermarket bits to the JK to try to bring it up to G standard ... knowing that I will never succeed. Then again how many of us will be able to afford a new RHD G-wagen when they go on sale next year?"
The Wrangler was a "distress purchase" two years ago, when I had given up hope of ever seeing a new right hand drive G again. Its pretty much the only other 4x4 with live axles front and rear. I like the fact that it's interior is basic - same hose out floor as the PUR. I had the chassis undersealed with Dinitrol because I thought I would be keeping it long term. It's done 20,000 trouble-free miles so far. The original suspension set-up is not a pleasant on road drive. I went for heavy duty ARB OME springs, which have improved things. The ride is bumpy on uneven road surfaces, which is fine for the driver, but perhaps less so for passengers, particularly in the rear. The rear seats are mean and only really suitable for children. I thought of getting a soft-top last summer, but then as we didn't have one the moment passed.
Now I'm really fired up by the prospect of a RHD G Professional. I hope, by posting the photo', to generate further interest on the forum for the W461.
Can we assume that this model can be got in RHD?. Golly I could get one and commute between NZ and GB. I like it a lt. Puts paid to those that hate the modern diesels and the complexity of ECUs etc. All well protected.
cheers rick ! the jk is on my mind for my wite tbh. i like them too...
btw, whats the tire size on the pur?
got any pics of the jk alongside the G?
rgds hus
Hus, a JK, with soft-top, in Cyprus would be great!
The optional tyre size, pictured on the photo' posted, is 265/75R16 i.e. overall diameter of 31.6". This is one of the reasons the G Professional looks so good. The JK came with 32" tyres as standard.
Poor quality iPhone photo' attached.
Rick
cheers rick ! nice collection you have there..
There is mention in the review at http://www.arpem.com/pruebas/coches/mercedes/2009/mercedes-clase-g-28d-e... of the G having 4.86:1 gears and a transfer reduction of 2.16:1. Very nice for off-road driving!
The photo' show the G PUR next to an earlier W461 and W460.
keep the pics rolling...i still couldnt open the link :cry:
i seriously like the pur more and more....very rugged piece of kit.
i reckon even mark could couldnt wreck it :P
Hus, don't know why you are having problems with that link; I tried on my work PC this morning [not logged in as a member] and got to it ok. Is there something diplomatic / political going on between Spain and N Cyprus that we should be aware of? :) :?
Anyone else having problems with the link, because there are some great photo' to see there?
A couple of rear view G-wagen / Wrangler JK comparison shots taken this morning ...
something diplomatic i think.... :? :D
still cannot log on to it...
btw, your jk looks the ideal off road beast. whats it like in the tough rick?
i mean look at the departure angles on both vehicles... the G seems like its got sport suspension,imagine what a rr sport looks like in comparison :shock:
The photo' show the G PUR next to an earlier W461 and W460.
I know the W460! It is a very original 50k miles 300GD that got its engine replaced by a brand-new OM617A turbodiesel. Sounds like clockwork at idle.
What lies beneath?
G Professional is civilian version of military G, so has a lot of features that added ruggedness and durability; just what you need if you plan to keep it for a long time.
Facts, gleaned from various web-sites, about the G Professional:
Kerb weight: 2540kg.
GVW: 3500kg => load carrying capacity: 960kg.
Power: 135kW 183hp [3,800rpm].
Torque: 400Nm 295 lb ft [1,600 - 2,600 rpm].
Vmax: 160km/h 100mph.
Acceleration: 12.5 seconds 0 - 100km/h [0 - 60mph]; 10.6 seconds 80 -120km/h [50 - 75mph].
Fuel consumption:
225/75R16 - combined average 11.4L/100km [24.8mpg]; urban 14.1L/100km [20.0mpg]; extra-urban 9.8L/100km [28.8mpg].
265/75R16 - combined average 13.3L/100km [20.9mpg]; urban 16.2L/100km [17.4mpg]; extra-urban 11.3L/100km [25.0mpg].
Fuel capacity: 96L.
Full time 4WD [same as W463'].
ABS and EBD standard.
12v/24v with three batteries [60Ah 400A].
Electronics housed in waterproof steel box between front seats.
Water resistant switches for diff-locks, transfer case.
Fording depth: 600mm.
Reinforced chassis.
Larger diameter drive shafts.
Final gear ratio:
225/75R16 4.375:1.
265/75R16 4.857:1.
Transfer case reduction ratio: 2.16:1.
Large rear drum brakes.
Heavy duty springs, shocks and rear anti-roll bar with reduced body roll, but only 180mm of axle articulation.
Standard tyres: 225/75R16, with optional 265/75R16.
These data is correct to the best of my knowledge, but I would welcome any corrections.
Rick
Wonder if you could get the split rear doors on a "normal" G. Looks stunning.
Even with this modern engine the fuel consumption sucks! Even the early td5 could muster 30-35 mpg
Even with this modern engine the fuel consumption sucks! Even the early td5 could muster 30-35 mpg
Yeah, was speaking to Maxwell about this the other day. I'd find it really hard to justify at those economy levels.
Wonder if you could get the split rear doors on a "normal" G. Looks stunning.
Surely, it must be possible ... but it would fall into the category of special order and would likely demand a hefty deposit before they would commit to building it.
I agree that the double rear doors look better. As I've said in an earlier posting, the single rear door with spare tyre is too heavy.
Black alloy wheels don't seem to be an option? I wonder how much extra these would cost?
I think the black Ashtaroths are standard on Military and w461 professionals if I recall. They had stacks of them at the factory.
But bear in mind that they only come in 16".
16" isn't a problem is it? They look good in black. Showed it to the missus, she said "I'm not driving a car with rubber floor and wind down windows" :lol:
I think the black Ashtaroths are standard on Military and w461 professionals ...
The standard wheel / tyre combination in the price-lists that I've seen is 225/75R16 on 7.5 x 16 five spoke. The options are either 265/75R16 A/T or M/T on silver aluminium wheels. 16" wheels have more options for A/T and M/T tyres, so no problem there.
I am willing you to be right.
16" isn't a problem is it? They look good in black. Showed it to the missus, she said "I'm not driving a car with rubber floor and wind down windows" :lol:
Nope... but all that to say is they won't fit on the newer w463s to the best of my knowledge as they have larger disc brakes....
Maxwell Smart wrote:I think the black Ashtaroths are standard on Military and w461 professionals ...
The standard wheel / tyre combination in the price-lists that I've seen is 225/75R16 on 7.5 x 16 five spoke. The options are either 265/75R16 A/T or M/T on silver aluminium wheels. 16" wheels have more options for A/T and M/T tyres, so no problem there.
I am willing you to be right.
Interesting - I am looking at the w461 Professional Brochure and the pictures show the w461 with black Ashtaroths but the options list clearly says silver....
JOIN THE GWOA
This website and forum are provided for the benefit of enthusiasts and owners of all Mercedes Benz off road vehicles, in particular the G Wagen. The costs of development, upkeep and provision of the site are met entirely by the annual subscriptions of club members. If you are using the site and are not a member of the G Wagen Owners Association please consider joining. You will have access to areas on the site that are not open to non members, to club trips and meetings and to technical assistance. In addition your contribution (only £25 annually) will help us maintain and develop our website for future users.
Who's new
- Jaffa_JIM_23
- Wrabstar
- GG
- KTMSCANIA22
- 280ge
Ooow :shock: :shock:
I didn’t say they were perfect. Nothing that couldn’t be fixed with a tasteful bodykit, some chrome running boards and some 22inch alloys :wink: .
Seriously that is a serious lack of articulation. For “normal†use I’m sure you could spec. it with softer springs though. Or (and I’m getting this from Mario on P3) is it lack of travel on the shocks?
Russ