Spider IV
Good God, I have just read on Clubgwagen that Joe has resigned from the club totally. Is this sthe case and if so, what are we going to do about a Southern Area rep? We are slso a Director down too now aren't we?
If true, this is a real shame as he had a lot to give the club not to mention was very enthusiastic
yes , it is true SPIDERIV HAS RESIGNED AS DIRECTOR/SOUTHERN AREA REP/MEMBER OF GWOA
what a sad day for all of us , joe is (or was) truly the friendly and massively enthusiastic face of the gwoa , always the first to greet new members ,and a tireless advocate of the club .
why this larger than life figure of the club has felt he had to take this dignified position will (hopefully) come out in time , all of us should consider the loss of joe askew as an enormous hole in gwoa ,nobody will fill his shoes as southern rep. as the miles he covered at his own expense to organsie get togethers/ salisbury plain driving days etc /this is highly unlikely that someone can be found to do this to the standard and have such a strong motivation for all things g wagen and gwoa .
shame on all those who put this man in such a position that he felt the only very deeply considered option driven by principle and moral compass was to resign.
something needs to be changed (possibly lots of them) throwing away members like this is just a travesty for what???
joe will not be alone on his island of splendid isolation , his friends are watching and we are getting very impatient as his island looks mightily attractive.
the good ship gwoa is sinking and the best 'pilot' has left the building .
i call for an EGM and a vote of 'NO CONFIDENCE' in the management team / come on please let's see some support !!
WTF.........what has been going on?...............
Quite clearly something is not right here. I for one would like to see Joe back immediately. The first post seems to hint this is something Joe was forced into. An explanation would be appreciated. Perhaps the call for an EGM is the correct next step.
I second that request for an EGM and agree with everything said, Joe is one of the nicest people you will ever meet
WTF?
Bring back Spider!
One of the most welcoming and friendly members on here.
Im sure he wouldnt have left without good reason.
Hes got my full support....EGM asap!!
As a recent new member to the GWOA Joe was the first to welcome me to the club and always encouraged me to meet other G owners face to face to get amongst you and chew the fat.
A true sad event that such an energetic leading light has decided to call it a day.
If every GWOA took a gulp from the goblet of ‘Spider IV Enthusiasm’ then the G community would flourish and glow.
The club needs to do everything to bring back Joe.
Norfolk66
I also am a recent arrival to gwoa and view Spider as an upstanding honest Gent. Good intent and honest advice was the norm. Look , I do`nt know what`s going on here, but it needs to be sorted pronto. This can result in the gwoa losing the backbone of its membership and knowledge.
Dont know what has gone on here, but would like to add my support for Spider who has been most welcoming at the two AGMs I have been to.
its about this thread, in particular unsolicited contacts, and an individual using the forum as a business opportunity
To avoid further speculation on this topic it would be prudent if the chairman and the committee issue a statement informing the membership of the current situation with regards to Joe.
This I feel should be done without delay.
I am very sorry to learn about this. Joe is a gentleman and has worked very hard for the GWOA. I trust that this would be a misunderstanding and thus the decision be reversed.
He also welcomed me well, and we had a PM chat about G's.
Disappointed to hear that the situation has got to this stage. This man is a real enthusiast and speaks sense. I have had tremendous support and advice from Joe. He's a member who goes above and beyond anyones expectations of a forum enthusiast.. Come on GWOA.....
I think Panzer is right. He has given so much to the club that you at least owe him that, surely?
This is just not good enough, if the situation cannot be rectified then I for one will not be renewing my gwoa membership....we all work hard and its expensive enough having work done on a G without being ripped off via the members club.
Spider was right to stand up for the victim of the scam, as a matter of principle.
Having spent a fair bit of cash restoring myself, this is a sad story, and the management need to make a stand or I wouldnt be surprised if im not the only one to leave.
Not like me....but (almost) lost for words!!!! 
At least i still have him as a great friend 
I fear that it has gone too far...but never say never..i know Joe wouldn't..... 
It would seem to me that many people both within the GWOA core and others, need to have the courage of their convictions...
Just like the man in question 
No one person is bigger than the sum total, and judging by his complete lack of fuss i can see he feels the same, hopefully others will realise that too?
I am right behind you Joe....
At least he will have some time to polish his wood and stroke feed his leather 
IT'S A V8 BABY 
He might even find time to fit his White seats now.....
Having been a member for many years in the GWOA..I totally understand why Joe has resigned !..Some of you may know me, some not, I am an aquired taste, I have made friends on here, and lost them all, It was a while before I actually realised I wasnt welcome anymore, or invited to certain things. I did a very stupid thing to a few of which I regret now, you know who you are, of which I publicly appologise..my excuse, ? I was not of sound mind. But ive moved on now.
For many years, I was just as enthusiactic as Joe, most of you saw the effort I put into G wizz, the articles, most of which were all sourced by myself, attending meetings, trips, shows, doing the videos for the club..THe last being the normandy trip, do you know I had one member send me a cheque for one hundred pounds for my efforts..of which I refused to take !..some of the best times of my life, G's..Mates..off roading. I didnt always agree with what I could and couldn't put in G wizz as this was monitiored, things were asked to be taken out as not to offend, and looking back, I actually respect that. But I also felt I had little back up at times, I'm quite strong willed and I think if it werent for the fact I turned out G Wizz, I would have been told to go a long time ago !..things were going stagnant, so became dispondent. Decisions are made for various reasons by the board, and im sure theirs are no different now, but on this instance, I have to agree..the members come first...PERIOD !.
Just to be clear, i did not stop doing G wizz for any other reason than I would not be around for the content,..Oh and I cant frigging spell !... and not that I had any dispute with the GWOA.
Joe will be back...as did axel...as did I..we all have a paddy once in a while and we do things like this as a last resort, as much as you get angry and leave, something always draws you back. I have one other thing to add..Please dont slag off one club, in another club forum.. its not productive.
Joe for chairman maybe ? its time for you, as members, to make a change now...but repsect must be given where its due for the early founders of this club, as without them, it would not have grown..move on to the next Phase..its time. Good luck to you all.
Ian Watson
Well put Ian, many voluntary organisations exploit the enthusiasm of their members but its not the organisations fault as such rather that of the individual who allows this to happen. Both of you have done a great deal for the club but it will as you saw yourself survive without either of you. Joe is a brilliant character and I hope he remains a member but he has as you did before him shouldered an enormous amount of the work of the club. The only way out of this over reliance on individuals is to employ full time staff and bureaucratise the organisation...I am not going to advocate that as the gwoa would become a very different organisation if we did.
To avoid further speculation on this topic it would be prudent if the chairman and the committee issue a statement informing the membership of the current situation with regards to Joe.
This I feel should be done without delay.
Wholeheartedly agree with the above. The all consuming silence is deeply disappointing and corrosively destructive.
We now no longer have a chairman. Someone PLEASE tell us what is going ot be done about this situation as it cannot be left as it will end up happening again. This inaction will end up destroying the club
We now no longer have a chairman. Someone PLEASE tell us what is going ot be done about this situation as it cannot be left as it will end up happening again. This inaction will end up destroying the club
Well if the position is now vacant, can I nominate Joe. He has shown himself to be a dignified straight shooter. That says a lot for a person these days. I cast my vote for Joe.
I'll second that but I don't think he has the time or inclination at the moment.
But I still second it.
3rd it
The thread mentioned by prwales is problematic for the reputation of this website. Judging by previous contributions it is out of character for Spider1V as well, the most likely explanation being the result of a New Year hangover. Spider IV has been the salt in the soup but as gav.helme put it so nicely “No one person is bigger than the sum total”, maintaining the professionalisms of the website is of importance. Everybody makes mistakes and I expect that things will cool down and return to normal.
The thread mentioned by prwales is problematic for the reputation of this website. Judging by previous contributions it is out of character for Spider1V as well, the most likely explanation being the result of a New Year hangover. Spider IV has been the salt in the soup but as gav.helme put it so nicely “No one person is bigger than the sum total”, maintaining the professionalisms of the website is of importance. Everybody makes mistakes and I expect that things will cool down and return to normal.
I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
Ian, I could not agree more with your post. Joe resigned on principle as he felt that he was not being supported as he felt he should and it is s lonely battle if you are on your own. Things cooling down is one thing, being brushed under the carpet and hoping that they will go away is another thing entirely. Let's hope that iti is the first option and that steps will be taken to prevent this happening again as it is very damaging for the club.
In the absence of any statement from the top committee members, I put my head on the chopping block and ask forum members to please be patient.
You are right the boat has been rocked and I have just sent my message and concerns to the whole committee and it is a matter of time to see what's what.
Please do not inflame the situation any further than what it is. Unless my feathers are seriously clipped as has happened in the past, I nominate myself to keep you, the forum in the picture in time.
I am urging people to remain calm and I promise to put out or get someone to put out some statement.
This matter needs to cool down and requires some breathing space to patch things up.
Can I add without the club (and forum) I wouldn't have met some fantastic people who have gone out of their way to help me. Those people know who they are, and you're amazing.
Lets keep up the GOOD work, we're all here to share our enthusiasm (and frustations/problems etc) with what is a beguiling piece of mechanical treasure. Problems will always occur (ask my wife!) but lets keep going - and hopefully that extends to my wagon!?! At least this thread demonstrates the passion we feel, got to be positive!
In the absence of any statement from the top committee members, I put my head on the chopping block and ask forum members to please be patient.
You are right the boat has been rocked and I have just sent my message and concerns to the whole committee and it is a matter of time to see what's what.
Please do not inflame the situation any further than what it is. Unless my feathers are seriously clipped as has happened in the past, I nominate myself to keep you, the forum in the picture in time.
I am urging people to remain calm and I promise to put out or get someone to put out some statement.
This matter needs to cool down and requires some breathing space to patch things up.
As ever Rakesh, the voice of reason. I think everyone knows that you also do so much for the club. Good post and fair point, well made. Well done and good luck with getting a result
Thank you.
Also , Stew-Em, I had so much support after my crash in 2012 that it made my £25 easily worthwhile so I agree but I do think that the club does need to move forward,and the problems need to be ironed out too,not brushed out of sight.
Many thanks to Rakesh for helping with this post.
Some serious allegations have been made against a GWOA member with no committal evidence forthcoming other than hearsay to back up these claims.
Some committee members have demanded immediate action be taken against this member given standards of evidence considered to be or may be questionable.
As a result of the difference in opinions, this has resulted in a rift between our Southern representative and our Chairman; despite each ones' good intentions and differing values, both have resigned their posts most regrettably to say the least upholding to eachs' principles.
David Watkins will be acting Chairman in absence of our resigned Chairman, he and many committee members have much to do to patch these differences and to see justice is evenly considered and not based on emotions.
Members are requested to think logically without emotion and not to inflame an already delicate matter. Resigning posts or threat of such stance is not a democratic way to debate an argument, it is to calmly talk the matter out which is not happening. Just because a quick resolve is not or cannot be achieved, does not mean it can be resolved by making threats.
There is much to be done and first priority is to not to worsen this situation.
Please support this club and do not destroy it.
Hear Hear brother Mark
Many thanks Mark
Well put and wise words...
Just glad somebody has prepared a statement and hopefully, like you add, in time a positive resolve will be the outcome for all concerned, communication in all avenues of life is critical and the lack of here, has been a huge issue.
I understand that was probably quite difficult from a personal perspective as i assume you have had little or no involvement to this juncture? On top of that it is not really your remit either...
Please let all concerned know that i personally will help in any way i can to help a timely resolve, although i fear it is above anything i can help with
May i ask everybody that they respect a change of leadership (even temporary) and support David and others that will be involved.
I agree whole heartedly that the actions to this point have been an over reaction in my personal view, however i must state like others have, that i understand that there is physical evidence out there from GWOA members personal experiences and this should be understood and dealt with in due course.
Again many thanks Mark (and Rakesh)
Gav
Many thanks to Rakesh for helping with this post.
Some serious allegations have been made against a GWOA member with no committal evidence forthcoming other than hearsay to back up these claims.
Some committee members have demanded immediate action be taken against this member given standards of evidence considered to be or may be questionable.
As a result of the difference in opinions, this has resulted in a rift between our Southern representative and our Chairman; despite each ones' good intentions and differing values, both have resigned their posts most regrettably to say the least upholding to eachs' principles.
David Watkins will be acting Chairman in absence of our resigned Chairman, he and many committee members have much to do to patch these differences and to see justice is evenly considered and not based on emotions.
Members are requested to think logically without emotion and not to inflame an already delicate matter. Resigning posts or threat of such stance is not a democratic way to debate an argument, it is to calmly talk the matter out which is not happening. Just because a quick resolve is not or cannot be achieved, does not mean it can be resolved by making threats.
There is much to be done and first priority is to not to worsen this situation.
Please support this club and do not destroy it.
Hi Mark
Whilst I appreciate what Gav said about this not really being your remit, I would just like to make it clear that I DID supply evidence to Tim which I am happy to provide you with, so it is certainly not hearsay. I gather that Joe has even gone down to look at the offending G Wagen at his own expense and that there are two or three others who have provided evidence, who if you contact Joe, he could supply you with the details.
I do not wish to be in any way offensive but feel quite strongly that this should not be swept under the carpet. Evidence HAS been provided, it is NOT only hearsay. Personally I would not in any way wish to destroy the club, especially as it helped me so much after my crash, easily worth my membership fee.
£8000 for a G restoration is not an emotiional issue, but a financial one and photographic evidence HAS been supplied and the vehicle also offered for inspection.
Best wishes
Caroline
I am quite sure there is a lot to be said and contributed by many, but could I request from all concerned to refrain from posting your comments for the moment.
This is not to silence any one nor to sweep anything under the carpet, on the contrary, it is to help constructively restore the reputation of the club followed by and respective reputations of parties concerned serving for a balanced outcome overall. If anomalies apply to address issues here and it is evident that certain rule changes need to be made and effected.
David will need time to settle in and I have no doubt in due course I, with some help from others can direct David to review this saga with openness and invite at that stage for you ALL to give your comments, information and testimonies for David to consider.
Please do not misunderstand me, I stress, that this matter will be dealt with and not to be considered as white wash.
Have faith. I remind you all that this will take time and this is not a quick resolve. If anyone is under any different impression then I would imagine we have lost already.
Pardon my language but to quote the cursing parrot on you tube what the ****? now, ban me for advertising you tube and writing ****. There i said it again oops! Was most interesting read for ta while. The man would deserve to get all the personal gain he wants..
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I for one, am confident that David is not in for favourtisum, he is objective enough to view matters on merits and that is my expectation of him.
I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
Ian, I could not agree more with your post. Joe resigned on principle as he felt that he was not being supported as he felt he should and it is s lonely battle if you are on your own. Things cooling down is one thing, being brushed under the carpet and hoping that they will go away is another thing entirely. Let's hope that iti is the first option and that steps will be taken to prevent this happening again as it is very damaging for the club.
issue should be delt with the said member and the service provider !! How the club or forum can be responsible? Or at fault? How was Joe left alone ? As said before lots of service providers on this forum, how can the club or forum be responsible for anything happening between a service provider and a member/forum user? I am amazed at comments or position taken in that post without having the in and out of the raised issues.
As mentioned on the forum , any forum user can ask for advices and recommendation , any feedback received are not always guaranteed and 100% genuine! also what can be a good job to someone can differ to someone else, what might sound cheap or expensive also can be viewed differently by someone else.
Over the long life of this forum we have seen numerous numbers of car dealers and any kind of service providers, no one of them could be recommended by every single members, we all have had differents opinions and experiences with them..... Doesn't mean they were all good or bad... All down to personal experience.
I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
Ian, I could not agree more with your post. Joe resigned on principle as he felt that he was not being supported as he felt he should and it is s lonely battle if you are on your own. Things cooling down is one thing, being brushed under the carpet and hoping that they will go away is another thing entirely. Let's hope that iti is the first option and that steps will be taken to prevent this happening again as it is very damaging for the club.
issue should be delt with the said member and the service provider !! How the club or forum can be responsible? Or at fault? How was Joe left alone ? As said before lots of service providers on this forum, how can the club or forum be responsible for anything happening between a service provider and a member/forum user? I am amazed at comments or position taken in that post without having the in and out of the raised issues.
As mentioned on the forum , any forum user can ask for advices and recommendation , any feedback received are not always guaranteed and 100% genuine! also what can be a good job to someone can differ to someone else, what might sound cheap or expensive also can be viewed differently by someone else.
Over the long life of this forum we have seen numerous numbers of car dealers and any kind of service providers, no one of them could be recommended by every single members, we all have had differents opinions and experiences with them..... Doesn't mean they were all good or bad... All down to personal experience.
Not wishing to inflame the situation and I understand the need for some caution when posting on this subject but my understanding of the situation is this:-
1) Joe received complaints over a period of time from several members of the forum who had been contacted by another forum user, using the private message facility, offering to carry out work on their G Wagons.
These members agreed to have the work carried out but it allegedly fell below the standard they had been promised and they felt aggrieved by this and also concerned that the initial solicitation had come via the GWOA site.
2) Joe (Spider IV) as a committee member of the club looked into the allegations and found there to be substance in them which prompted him to compile a report on the matter which he presented to the Chairman.
The report dealt not just with with the actions of the individual in question but also made some detailed proposals on how the GWOA website and forum could be improved to better protect its members from similar incidents.
3) The Chairman felt that for various reasons the GWOA could not take any action against the individual at the centre of the complaints, nor apparently consider implementing the changes Joe had put forward to protect club members from being exploited in the future.
4) I think it was the inaction of the Chairman and committee on the later point that prompted Joe to issue his advice/warning post and then subsequently to resign.
I do not want to get involved in the rights and wrongs of the standard of work on a particular G Wagon but I am fully supportive of Joe's attempt to protect members and users of the forum (especially new ones) from being exploited by people using the GWOA as a cover to market a sub-standard service.
The forums of the GWOA provide a wealth of information and advice for G enthusiasts throughout the UK and beyond. They are the lifeblood of the club and should be run in a professional manner by people with the best interests of its members at heart. I believe Joe to be one of these people and I hope that he returns to the GWOA in the near future and continues his energetic and friendly efforts to improve the club for all of us.
Doug.
Not wishing to inflame the situation and I understand the need for some caution when posting on this subject but my understanding of the situation is this:-
1) Joe received complaints over a period of time from several members of the forum who had been contacted by another forum user, using the private message facility, offering to carry out work on their G Wagons.
These members agreed to have the work carried out but it allegedly fell below the standard they had been promised and they felt aggrieved by this and also concerned that the initial solicitation had come via the GWOA site.
2) Joe (Spider IV) as a committee member of the club looked into the allegations and found there to be substance in them which prompted him to compile a report on the matter which he presented to the Chairman.
The report dealt not just with with the actions of the individual in question but also made some detailed proposals on how the GWOA website and forum could be improved to better protect its members from similar incidents.
3) The Chairman felt that for various reasons the GWOA could not take any action against the individual at the centre of the complaints, nor apparently consider implementing the changes Joe had put forward to protect club members from being exploited in the future.
4) I think it was the inaction of the Chairman and committee on the later point that prompted Joe to issue his advice/warning post and then subsequently to resign.
I do not want to get involved in the rights and wrongs of the standard of work on a particular G Wagon but I am fully supportive of Joe's attempt to protect members and users of the forum (especially new ones) from being exploited by people using the GWOA as a cover to market a sub-standard service.
The forums of the GWOA provide a wealth of information and advice for G enthusiasts throughout the UK and beyond. They are the lifeblood of the club and should be run in a professional manner by people with the best interests of its members at heart. I believe Joe to be one of these people and I hope that he returns to the GWOA in the near future and continues his energetic and friendly efforts to improve the club for all of us.
Doug.
well said bigblock. im with you all the way.
ian watson, you are also a leading role in this club as is mark and joe and as is many more older members i know of from the past .
i often read threads by new members i have not yet had a chance to say hi to... its good to see the club active.
i joined the gwoa in 2003-4 not sure, but its been a long time.
i was very very very active until 2009. i have been G'd in the head since 1983. the gwoa was the best thing i had found on the internet . great info, talks dicsussions, punch ups , the lot. .great members and friends....i sold my business my house etc and moved back to n cyprus in june 09. after i moved back i stopped using the forum for well over a year.
reason being that i had been 'screwed over' too by the same member,,,,! i will not go into detail and mention names. i blamed myself more than anyone for being such a dumb ass !! . it tried to bring up the matter openly here after it happened but i felt alone on the subject and the culprit had too many good feedbacks from fellow members because he was soooooo well spoken and knowledgable. like a wolf in sheeps clothing.. i washed my hands and didnt even think about going to solicitor and loosing more money and time. this member also laid low for a time...then surfaced again.
i often read threads here when this wolf was replying to little red riding hoods here. i would pm them straight away and made sure they would not fall victim too. i was thanked by many.
well intime it all blew over. i believed that this member had turned a new leaf. and infact last year he started emailing me
on certain G's i had shared here that were for sale etc... warning me etc... i thought well, maybe he has stopped his dogdy dealings..
tbh, gwoa was never the same after i left. maybe my personal thoughts...quite a few other leading members had also taken a back seat, mortinson for one, and maxwell but to mention but a few..but i must say joe stayed put. really nice bloke too. i think i mentioned my situ to him back then, but i nevere followed it up with him or tim carnell or other admin guys at the time.
i now have reason to believe joe has left for this reason. hes right to do so too ! the present scam propmpted me to write to tim and again. he seemed concerned and wanted proof to justify my case, i have paper work still somewhere in the house. i am not making any of it up.
to finalise my personal thoughts. it seems the gwoa is a ltd co and thus there are rules and regs that seem to
prevent this member from being cancelled from the club. this law must be changed....if it can. scammers have no place here. they should be the ones to go, not joe....[even though he still persists to drive that V8 !! ]
the GWOA is [correct me if im wrong one of the oldest global G clubs and the red badge i have on the front windscreen of everyone of my G's makes me a proud .
mark is right , the gwoa must not be destroyed, ian is also right, it shouldnt be slagged off on other forums,joe is also right though. something must be done to keep us together here....or we will eventually be no more.....
rgds hus
Have only just come back 'to Earth': first real day back! Saddened by the news of Joe's departure. I do not know all the details that have gone on here and will not claim to do so. However, I can only lend support to another member, in this case Joe (from what I understand), for wanting to warn others of sub-standard work being carried out, whether that be in a professional or non-professional manner. This is the essence of a club is it not? It is impossible to sweep sub-standard work under the carpet for the simple reason that it is dangerous for the occupants of the car and ALL other road users: in my opinion, the committee MUST take action.
Like so many have said already, the silence is deafening.
To the committee members, please take control of the situation and save this fabulous, informative and (usually) friendly club.
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I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
Ian, I could not agree more with your post. Joe resigned on principle as he felt that he was not being supported as he felt he should and it is s lonely battle if you are on your own. Things cooling down is one thing, being brushed under the carpet and hoping that they will go away is another thing entirely. Let's hope that iti is the first option and that steps will be taken to prevent this happening again as it is very damaging for the club.
issue should be delt with the said member and the service provider !! How the club or forum can be responsible? Or at fault? How was Joe left alone ? As said before lots of service providers on this forum, how can the club or forum be responsible for anything happening between a service provider and a member/forum user? I am amazed at comments or position taken in that post without having the in and out of the raised issues.
As mentioned on the forum , any forum user can ask for advices and recommendation , any feedback received are not always guaranteed and 100% genuine! also what can be a good job to someone can differ to someone else, what might sound cheap or expensive also can be viewed differently by someone else.
Over the long life of this forum we have seen numerous numbers of car dealers and any kind of service providers, no one of them could be recommended by every single members, we all have had differents opinions and experiences with them..... Doesn't mean they were all good or bad... All down to personal experience.
personal opinion, and the quality of an individuals expectations is one thing, clearly here its not the first time, and given some of the photos floating around i think you would agree this is far from acceptable, hence why its got to the stage....
I'm not really sure I understand what you saying here. There seems, perhaps I am not reading yoru post properly, to be a suggestion that Joe has done something wrong. As far as I am aware nothing could be further from the reality. I think it is important that folks think about what they post, and generally I think they have.
Of paramount importance is a signal from management. Quite honestly the silence is damaging.
Ian, I could not agree more with your post. Joe resigned on principle as he felt that he was not being supported as he felt he should and it is s lonely battle if you are on your own. Things cooling down is one thing, being brushed under the carpet and hoping that they will go away is another thing entirely. Let's hope that iti is the first option and that steps will be taken to prevent this happening again as it is very damaging for the club.
issue should be delt with the said member and the service provider !! How the club or forum can be responsible? Or at fault? How was Joe left alone ? As said before lots of service providers on this forum, how can the club or forum be responsible for anything happening between a service provider and a member/forum user? I am amazed at comments or position taken in that post without having the in and out of the raised issues.
As mentioned on the forum , any forum user can ask for advices and recommendation , any feedback received are not always guaranteed and 100% genuine! also what can be a good job to someone can differ to someone else, what might sound cheap or expensive also can be viewed differently by someone else.
Over the long life of this forum we have seen numerous numbers of car dealers and any kind of service providers, no one of them could be recommended by every single members, we all have had differents opinions and experiences with them..... Doesn't mean they were all good or bad... All down to personal experience.
There is a way of doing things and it takes time !! also need facts and statements !!!!! Bullying the chairman with sayings rather than facts doesnt help !!! Some pathetiques and strong comments regarding chairman and commitees in here .... Crises !!!! ffs both commitee members and chairman had the rights to spend an enjoyable festive time without the hassles they received. They are not your full time employes !!!! Chairman is entitled to some excuses today !!!
Also spreading the shit on other forum is not a way of protecting the gwoa!!! no mention of name see by yourself! It is rather clear !!
I'm not totally clear on your post but first off..I don't think anything should have been mentioned on any other forum..I simply don't undertand what the point of that was..other than to get a reaction in this forum without actually being direct ? even the link should have not been posted without emails being made if the people who were aware, made thier gripes know to the committee, if after then they feel there is no resolution then I suppose this was the last resort. I can undertand to an extent that fans of joe feel an injustice has been created here..but the people involved are adults. After Huss reply I now know who we are taking about, if what people are saying is correct then what I have seen in the past is this individual commenting, on vehicles that are for sale, and members or potential new members asking for buying advice, gives his advice, some of those comments are pointing out how un-original some items are and how they should bargain the price down. This gives the new member or potential buyer a sense of security that this individual knows what he's on about, so a trust is formed, if it's evident that these allegations are concrete and he is ripping off new members, how can you as a club sit back and allow this to happen, when after all Huss moved to Cyprus in 2009! It's not new what has happened here.
There are two sides to all stories, and this case is no exception.
All parties were acting in the interest of the GWOA.
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Am with you wholeheartedly on that. Well put.