2001 G55 LHD Import
Apart from the Brabus bumper which I don't much like and the fact that it's a left hooker which is not ideal, this looks to actually be a G55 AMG (there seems to be a habit of describing G500's as G55's) with only 56K miles. I think I've asked before if anyone knew this car and now I'm wondering if it's worth going to see. It seems a bit overpriced but if it's a straight motor I might be interested. Can anyone think of anything obvious that I've missed that will save me a half a day and seventy squids worth of petrol?
Also, does being an import have any negative significance?
Thanks,
Ian
If it is a personal import it's from Europe not the USA as it doesn't have the additional front indicators the yankee cars have. I'm pretty certain there was no rhd version of the G55 at that time so it could well be a Merc supplied car.
Hmmmm - First thing I would do is Ask for the Vin Number and then check here on the forum. That should answer a lot of questions.
I think this maybe the owner of Greenoaks old car - I seem to rember he had a LHD that he used to drive across to France on a number of occasions.
Dispite the asking price I would say one would pay that for a RHD, but for a LHD I would say closer to 29-32K
I am sure there were some G55's RHD on 2001 guise, I think Buckalec had one, they come with the normally asperated 349BHP 5lt V8's - the same one thats on the ML's of the time
Hope that helps
Spider1V
Might save your self a bit if you imported from Germany yourself, but doesn't seem to be a huge amount in it. But you will have a better selection to choose from.
No RHD's of that model. The few 2001 RHD's are based on earlier G Wagen (1999/ 2000 model)
As Joe says check out VIN
Thanks, folks, i'll try and get the VIN tomorrow.
Does anyone have any idea what the rust situation is with G's of the '01 vintage. Iirc that was pretty much slap bang in the saloon rust fiasco time zone. Certainly I had a '00 CLK55 which had a fair bit of tin worm and my '01 ML500 was beginning to show signs. Maybe the bean counters didn't get to the G's, I know for sure they were slow getting access to the SL's.
I have a 2001 G500.
The rust bits I can see:
Mostly stone chip at the top of the Windscreen
Bit of bubbling on the rear and top of the door.
Check around the wheel arches that the bit they put to protect it is still intact. But aprt from that have seen worst rust on newer cars.
Not that I want to confuse you but have you considered this? Its not AMG, but its a 500 that has a more powerful engine, is 'newer' and much less expensive and easier going off road? THough the two tone paint job maybe a bit much.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/g...
Spider1V
Thanks for the rust info.
Two things I don't like about the one you posted. The huge wheels, and, maybe I'm paranoid but what lies under the wrap. From what I've seen people only wrap as a cheap alternative to a decent respray.
Power wise I'm confused. I thought the 55 had about 100bhp more than the 500? or am I singing off the wrong song sheet?
Thanks.
Think it's about 55 hp more.
The G500 has 296 bhp and the G55 (non compressor) has 348 bhp.
The advert Spider posted states that particular 2004 G500 has 388bhp which is probably a typo. The American spec G550 has a 5.5litre 32valve engine which produces 382bhp but that was only available from 2005.
I think Spider is mistaken when he says the 2004 G500 is more powerful than the 2001 G55.
Its been know to happen. ;)
I was mistaken and thought it was the 2004 V8 5.5 (which is what I thought the advert said) :(. You are correct, however if its an AMG you want - then go for it, however I was really just puting it up there as a concept in that - You could get a newer car for your monsy, and if you got the post 2005 your V8 will be more poawerful than the AMG your looking at.
(blush) Sorry
Spider1V
I would agree with you Spider that the later model G is a better buy at the moment but I suspect that the rarity of the G55 AMG will see it hold its value better than the standard G500 in years to come. Not that there is anything wrong with a G500 of course, just thier owners :-)
Yeah - so lovley, cuddly and hadnsome..... :)
Spider1V
Maybe Spider was right after all. It seems this left hooker delivers 292hp. Odd for an alleged 55.
What left hooker are you refering to ?
The 55 on ebay I guess.
who says it has 292bhp. People selling it must be mistaken,
@Bigblock The one on post number 1.
@Mark The datacard
Hi Ian
I thought that was the one you were refering to but as hard as I look at the advert I can not see any reference to horse power. Is there a 'secret' button to click on ?
I've emailed the dealer to ask for confirmation that it is a G55AMG. From being very quick to answer my previous queries, they've gone all coy on me....I wonder why that might be?
I got the output from the datacard.
This is the reply I got from the dealer:
"All the G55 started out as a G500 and then converted to a G55 by AMG. You should be able to confirm this either by Mercedes or by looking on the Internet."
I know that this was the case untill a certain date when MB subsumed AMG. And, as far as I am aware, this predated 2001. The question is, were G's treated differently and so could this be a genuine AMG even though there is no HWA &/or AMG references in the datacard.
Mystery.
I take it you have got the vin number to be able to check the datacard ? Does it state engine size, that would be the easiest way to tell if its a 55 or 500.
Datacard says 500. But then early SL60's had 500 on them.
All sounds a bit fishy now. 292 bhp doesn't relate to anything I can think of.
As far as I understand a 2001 G55 would have been made complete in Graz, engine coming from AMG.
It was made in Graz (from datacard)
This is the same type of G as our Chairman, David has. He aquired his from German dealer s/h. Have a chat with him and you should be able to compare the datacard info.
The AMG55 in 2001 had 388hp. Response refers to G in post 1
Can you scan & post data card, must be something on there to give some clues.
Thought it was nearer to 350 bhp.
You are correct. I thought that I had read 388 somewhere but can't find it now.
The only way to be sure is to ie it up against Spider's 500 and when you see him in the mirror, you know that is has the 55 engine
if it was an AMG of this period it would have been 348BHP
Spider1V
LOL
You don't need a 55 to do that, I've heard a 230 did it. ;)
I thought it was a bit strange that the advert did not have a photo of the engine considering that would be the main attraction of a G55.
Data codes will be along shortly....
Then you need to clean your ears out.........Sprinter boy! :)
Spider1V
Hi all
Having been entrusted with the VIN number, as far as I can see...
This is a G500 2000MY Shipped 2001 M113 V8 E50 218Kw 292bhp 296ps model
It is a Bau Muster 463.248 for a standard G500 European spec, it has the MR6 sales code for M113 E50 218kW and no mention of any AMG spec. Sold to country code 219 Hamburg, Germany.
As far as I am aware, these were only upgraded to special order AMG spec for the Japanese market on that year and although it looks like a very good job has been done to make it look like an AMG, a few little bits are missing, like the Gear Lever badge is still MB and not AMG and no picture of the engine? With AMG top cover etc.
Specs from the data card are as follows….
C75 Brush guard
C77 Radiator grille with chrome effect
C78 Door sill panels, stainless steel, 2 illuminated
D27 Tilting/sliding sunroof, electric
ET4 COMAND operating and display system
GE9 Automatic transmission with Touchshift, 5-speed
H10 Seat heating for driver and front passenger
H11 Heated rear seats
I86 Tyres 265/60 R18
IX1 ETG - e1*96/79*0064*11 Typ 463
J44 Ultrasonic reversing aid
MR6 Engine M 113 E50 218 kW
RB9 Stainless steel spare wheel cover
RL8 Light-alloy rims 18"
T84 Stainless Steel Side Running Boards
U46 Leather interior
V18 Interior black
V56 Trim, high-gloss burr walnut, brown
V57 Load compartment cover
VL1 Leather/burr walnut steering wheel and selector lever
VL2 Velour floor mats
VL3 Exclusive package
X02 EC model plate
X30 Vehicle certificate
XU1 Plates / booklets german
XY0 Model year 2000
YF4 CD-Rom for Auto Pilot System, Germany
MB was in collaboration with AMG in 1993, took a controlling stake in 1999 and took over completely in 2005.
These are all the Bau Muster V8 options for LWB ….excluding the early M117 V8’s
Only 463.236, 463.241 and 463.270 are available in RHD.
463 241 G500/G55 AMG M113 V8 WAGON possible 5.5 AMG (ZY2) 1997 – 2000
463 248 G500 M113 V8 WAGON EUROPE possible 5.5 AMG (ZY3/ZY4) 2000 – 2008
463 249 G500 M113 V8 WAGON USA/CANADA 2001 – 2008
463 236 G500 (550) M273 V8 WAGON EUROPE 2009 - 2012
463 237 G550 M273 V8 WAGON USA/CANADA 2009 - 2012
463 243 G55 AMG M113 V8 WAGON EUROPE 2002 - 2004
463 246 G55 AMG M113 V8 WAGON USA/CANADA 2003 - 2004
463 270 G55K AMG M113 V8 WAGON EUROPE 2005 - 2012
463 271 G55K AMG M113 V8 WAGON USA/CANADA 2005 – 2011
G500 = M113.962 24 valve V8 = E50 5.0 Litre
G55 AMG = M113.982 24 valve V8 = E55 5.5 Litre AMG
G55K AMG = M113.993 24 valve V8 Kompressor = E55 5.5 Litre AMG
G500/G550 = M273.963 32 valve V8 = E55 5.5 Litre
ZY2 = ENGINE 5,5 l (AMG) (M113 E55 AMG MOTOR)
ZY3 = ENGINE 5,5l (AMG – Mopf) (M113 E55 AMG MOTOR EUROPEAN SPEC)
ZY4 = 5,5 l ENGINE AMG JAPAN VERSION (M113 E55 AMG MOTOR JAPANESE SPEC)
Hope this helps
Gav
AMG my backside !!!
only just read the thread... the only thing AMG on that lovely G500 are the alloys.....
the arches and seats should have told the story anyhow.
rgds hus
Are the arches different then?
yep,like the ones on the G350 2012 that was on a thread here recently... they cover the extra width of the amg alloys unlike the ones on that G500..
bloody expensive too !!
Oh, I thought that was just the Kompressors
What say I ask the dealer for a picture of the engine....? Who'll run a book on whether I'll get it?
Thanks for all the help and comments folks. I'm guessing this "AMG" and I are not to be. Beauty is I was thinking of p/x'ing my (genuine) SL60AMG!! Now that lump in my SWB G would be fun!!
Talk to Axel..... re transplanting your AMG into your G? (evil laugh)
Spider1V
As Roly suggested, may be an idea to compare Datacard with David Watkins.
His E mail is in newsletter, Northern Rep.
Well I've had some pics and it does look as though it is as described.
Ian are you saying you now think it is a genuine G55. What makes you think so ?
If the AMG upgrade was available to order via MB in 2002 then surely the data card would show that it was a G55 rather than a G500.
It's MY 2000. As I said before some SL60's had 500 on their cards. Couple of pics.
G55 vs G55k wheel arches
All will revealed shortly, I've contacted Affalterbach who should be able to give me the definitive diagnosis...fingers crossed!
Hope the news is positive. Looks like it may well be the case that the earliest models with that type of dash were taken to AMG.
Of course that money would almost get a Kompressor in Germany.
eg. G55K
That's certainly something to think about. I'm guessing that if I bought one and drove it over the paperwork at this end would not be horrendous and also, I suppose there shouldn't be any extra taxes etc given that we are now all part of the fartherland...whoops sorry, europe.
Or am I being naive.....?
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