Old School vs New
My decidedly old school 463 vs a Discovery 3 :D
I don’t want to swap, but had an entertaining day in the country today in more ways than one.
I’m not kidding re. the competency of the D3 and all it’s fancy electronics (which I have sneered at previously) just before this picture we had driven up a rocky/slimy track.
My brothers D3 on road tyres just cruised up with no sign of any struggle or visable wheel spin (he didn’t even bother fiddling with the terrain response system). He had jacked the air suspension up and that’s it.
The G barely made it on AT’s and without the centre diff being locked it would have ground to a halt :shock:
I know not exactly a conclusive test, just interesting. Terrain response stuff isn’t exactly my cup of tea either, but no denying it’s capabilities.
Russ
You could have replicated the Disco's Terrain response with a vigorous tapping of the brakes, :wink: then you'll wear your brakes out as quickly as a D3. :wink: :lol: ,, much more fun then using the lockers. :D
To make matters worse, the G had big BFG AT's on and the D3 had road tyres.
At least you shoot better than you drive Russ!!!
Russ your story has similarities to a story I heard on Monday, one of our firms partners was skiing in France the week before, his very expensive mega bhp german 4x4 was sliding backwards on a icy hill when passed by a 206 with winter tyres. His wife in the passenger seat was heard to utter how much more did this Porsche cost than the peugot beacuse its rubbish. I passed no comment to spare his blushes :roll: :D
russ, turn the table round and imagine disco of your vintage and G on 56 plates... :wink:
did you foolow the same track he did? the terrain does change drastically after a few vehicles pass the same track.
russ, i will give you £4000 cash for your incompetent G :lol: and you can keep the bfg at's :wink:
russ, modern technology seems to be taking the real thrill out of driving. your brother had no adrenalin in the disco where as your heart was pounding and your mind was thinking....
'sh@t, i have to climb this hill !'
once the excitement is gone, so is the pleasure :( i want to be in control of my G, not my G BEING IN CONTROL OF ME !
i seem to love 460's more and more.....
ps, imagine that disco when it gets to your G's age.. :P
russ, modern technology seems to be taking the real thrill out of driving. your brother had no adrenalin in the disco where as your heart was pounding and your mind was thinking....
'sh@t, i have to climb this hill !'
once the excitement is gone, so is the pleasure :( i want to be in control of my G, not my G BEING IN CONTROL OF ME !
i seem to love 460's more and more.....
ps, imagine that disco when it gets to your G's age.. :P
Couldn’t agree more, I still miss the “honesty†of my 460. Having said that my 463 is pretty close to that ideal whilst being more user friendly as an everyday car.
This could explain my confusion over new top end G’s. If you want a luxury off roader go get a RR, it does it so much better. The car bit and the non thinking off road stuff. Fortunately everyone’s different………………umm a Professional 461 that’s a different matter :D
My heart wasn’t exactly pounding. It would have been if it had failed on such a pathetic little hill because I would have had to go and find a big stick and beat the pile of junk to within an inch of it’s life for doing such a thing in front of a bunch of LR’s :evil: :lol: :lol:
Russ
Thank god these new vehicles do have such a system, found it entertaining when towing a horse box of a wet field on many occasion with my old 230, to find all the women going nowhere in there Lr110s, they never knew what the 4wd lever was for, let alone centre diff lock, so these knew rr and disco are for the dopes that can't get there head around more than one lever in there cab, (by that I mean men and women! ).
Thank god these new vehicles do have such a system, found it entertaining when towing a horse box of a wet field on many occasion with my old 230, to find all the women going nowhere in there Lr110s, they never knew what the 4wd lever was for, let alone centre diff lock, so these knew rr and disco are for the dopes that can't get there head around more than one lever in there cab, (by that I mean men and women! ).
You’ve just confirmed my point about new G’s. Traction control that doesn’t work as well as LR’s and loads more buttons to confuse all those footballers wives :roll: :lol:
nice one peter, well put. :lol:
modern electrics are a pain in the ass, full stop ! imagine in a few years time when water gets/dust get in and connections start to fail... :cry:
i have feeling we are on the right track guys.
Funnily enough, I happened to drive one of these Discovery SIII with the diesel V6 engine today (on the road).
Fantastic ride, poise, on-road handling, et al. But I asked the owner (an Englishman living in Spain), does this thing have unitary body or separate chassis/body? Methinks that it might have traction trickery but I dread to think how long will the doors last shutting properly if I take one of these to the places I normally drive offroad (well, you've seen the pics, anyway)..
Funnily enough, I happened to drive one of these Discovery SIII with the diesel V6 engine today (on the road).
Fantastic ride, poise, on-road handling, et al. But I asked the owner (an Englishman living in Spain), does this thing have unitary body or separate chassis/body?
They’re a little strange in that respect, in that they have both. The body is a monochoc with a separate hydroformed chassis, very rigid.
I doubt door shutting will be an issue but as my thread is attempting to explain they are a completely different animal. No point comparing it for my purposes but as an all rounder they are more accomplished than a blinged up new G.
They’re a little strange in that respect, in that they have both. The body is a monochoc with a separate hydroformed chassis, very rigid.
I doubt door shutting will be an issue but as my thread is attempting to explain they are a completely different animal. No point comparing it for my purposes but as an all rounder they are more accomplished than a blinged up new G.
What I meant with my comment is that subjecting a G to serious off-roading normally entails inflicting it with blows that result in simple scratches to the underside whereas in cars without separate chassis and rigid axles it is the bodywork that suffers.
I fully agree that as an all rounder they are more accomplished than any G but in my case the solution is having the G to do the dirty work and letting the wife drive a ML320 (better on the road than a Disco 3) for hauling kids around. It would have been even better had she let me buy her a E240 Estate instead. What I mean is that I don't believe in all-rounders, they tend to do everything , but nothing well enough.
Someone let me know when they have figured out what a true all rounder is (I agree there isn’t one) :lol:
I’m not kidding when I tell you I have spreadsheets with permutations running in to infinity in order to try and figure out what car combinations would suit work, play, kids, wife, animals, boat, overland, off road play, money, multiplied up by 4 (number of cars we have)
The analogy that I could apply to my G vs New D3, RR or G is:
In the past I’ve been a hi fi anorak.
Got to wait for the amp to warm up (valve driven preferably), position speakers just so, connected with just the right cable, isolate the supply from the mains 50hz noise, vinyl of course. In reality the sound would be flawed but it’s so interactive, so enjoyable and a large part down to MY input. :D
Now I just plug the i Pod in (I detest apple stuff btw) and an adequate noise comes out. That’s it, some noise which is actually better in a purely technical way to my old stuff. BUT there’s little pleasure to be had or satisfaction.
Russ
Detest apple! How very dare you
Detest apple! How very dare you
Agreed.
If you can run apple, you can drive Nissan!
Now I just plug the i Pod in (I detest apple stuff btw) and an adequate noise comes out. That’s it, some noise which is actually better in a purely technical way to my old stuff. BUT there’s little pleasure to be had or satisfaction.
lol - it's like me and coffee. The machine is messy and a pain to keep clean but those little tablets aren't quite the same.
Anyhow glad to hear you're not a blind fanatic following that fruity faith unlike some here... :twisted:
russ, Isa, guys, you are missing an important aspect of G ownership....
the G is exclusive,is not a fashion status, the G is not common like EVERY OTHER SUV [4X4].
no other vehicle i have ever owned or will own will ever give me the same satisfaction when driving here in cyprus or in the uk or anywhere in the world knowing that i can go for hundreds of miles and not seeing a G. 8)
and when you do cross paths positive energy you get from the other G is incredible!!
this is why i drive a G,and always will. there may be faster, smoother, more economic etc etc, but at the end of the day we stand out.
we are not common.
i am now after a 1980 300GD i came across recently.colorado beige, its got the twin rear doors, na 617, no electric anything,bbs alloys of the era. infact even the window washers are activated by pump on the floor :) the front seat recliners are not on the side like we know but a spindle wheel on the rear corner. and most importantly over 40k in pocket when comparing this classic beuaty with modern cr@p:wink: :wink:
its sooo basic i love it. it will never give me hassle, or light a warning on the dash... and its mega exclusive unlike the disco's, pajeros, rr sports, bm x'ss....etc that cost a fortune.[ i recently detailed an x6.. where does the 65k go in that car:shock: :shock: :shock: ]
guys, dont be fooled by all this hugh tech marketing.
G has no comparisons.
sorry, but i had let off steam. :oops:
Russ280 wrote:Now I just plug the i Pod in (I detest apple stuff btw) and an adequate noise comes out. That’s it, some noise which is actually better in a purely technical way to my old stuff. BUT there’s little pleasure to be had or satisfaction.
lol - it's like me and coffee. The machine is messy and a pain to keep clean but those little tablets aren't quite the same.
Anyhow glad to hear you're not a blind fanatic following that fruity faith unlike some here... :twisted:
Oh thank you God, someone gets it :lol: and LEEU :lol:
Huss you’re missing the point, I’m the one who gets it. Read my last post again :D We’re saying the same thing :)
Russ
So Russ what you really want is a 460 with decent body work and enough go and there-in lies the problem. There is the peter perfect 560 option, sure to be endorsed by spider as it has the "correct" number of cylinders and from PR Wales because it doesn't run on oil.....
However PRW's post in for sale section on the burthered 460 gave me a idea, what you need is about 170bhp, 200 would be better.
So you need TD5 engine £800 of breathing and remap upgrades gets you about 190bhp. :lol: then you can have PR Wales lateral thinking LRG GLR or whatever... involvement with enough go... if you don't want the electronics then maybe the Daihatsui 2.8
So what other engines can we think of that would get the job done and not cost a small fortune......
Give me a new imac over a crappy D3 anyday. :wink:
In fact LR should give out macs with every car they sell. The manual would be so much more interesting that owners may actually read it before venturing off road. There usually blocking the way discussing if it's time for rock crawling mode, hill decent mode or nappy changing mode. :D
You forgot the parking on the curb out side school mode.
You forgot the parking on the curb out side school mode.
And hitting a parking bollard, shopping trolley and other car mode :P
Spider1V
For a person who is as bad at computer stuff as me (well, maybe not a Mac), a 461 is the way forward!
I still haven't fully worked out all the buttons on my 99 A6 yet...
Or, look at the articulation on that mode!
But will the disco ever have the 'Be better than a G Wagen' mode?
You decide!
Spider1V
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did you foolow the same track he did? the terrain does change drastically after a few vehicles pass the same track.
russ, i will give you £4000 cash for your incompetent G :lol: and you can keep the bfg at's :wink:
Hell if I’d turned up in a 56 blinged up G it wouldn’t have got that far. It would have provided some “entertainment†and been full of 12 gauge sized holes. I would have been walking, well running home :lol: :lol:
(for those of you in the know some people were using 36g number 4’s as the pheasants are so high on this shoot)
It’s not that the G is incompetent, just that LR terrain response is very clever and so easy without driver intervention.
Some of us did have the opportunity to compare a L322RR with an equivalent vintage G recently. It has to be said the RR made far less of a meal of soft mud than a fully locked G on similar tyres. As I said not my cup of tea but don’t knock it :)
Russ