G Wagon Axles
Hello all.
I would apreciate your help, I am building a hybrid off roader for winch challenge and am seriously considering using g wagon axles. What I would like to know is what year/model you guys would recomend I source. I am attracted to the strength and the diff locks. I will be running on 38 inch tyres but the vehicle is based on a Suzuki Samurai so very light.
I would also apreciate any info you can give me on the ratios of the diffs and the track width of the axles as well as direction of rotation of the diff gears.
I know relativly little about the G. I would like disc brakes all round.
Many thanks in advance.
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it will cost you a lot of money to get disc brakes on the rear axle as these only came on the V8 engined models and then only on the 463, 2nd generation permanent all wheel vehicles. Rather than construct a horror of a vehicle as you plan why not simply base your off roader on a g-wagen and reduce its weight. A popular solution is to create a pick up, losing all the rear end of the vehicle and using part of the rear door and corners to make a truck cab. Doing it this way loses none of the immense strength of the g, but does make a great difference to the power/weight ratio. The suzy may be very light but its engine is also very weak. Look at some of the photo gallery pictures to see what I am suggesting.
http://gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1&pos=7 Forum user Tyreman is one of our experts along with Tony Baskill who has created some exceptionally innovative g-based specials http://www.gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=l... :?
The slow axle of the Gs ratio is 6.17 (6:37) it is used almost exclusively only on the military Gs.Also come in 5.2x (7:37) much easier to obtain.
As samurai is really light also 4.86 (7:34) maybe work too ?
Almost all rears have the diff lock.Fronts are an option...
Good luck.
cut a g wagen up all you want there still to heavy to be competitive in winch challenges!
all the top guys are building buggy's these days in the search for light weight!
theres a guy I know after putting a sj shell on a G wagen chassis, but theres no reason why G axles wont work out very good on a sj, as for rear disc, if you have the skills to put them under a sj a rear disc conversion wont pose too much of a problem, same as putting discs on the back of an sj!
and MOST g axles will be 4.8
Think tony put nissan discs on his rear axle, so it can be done, with the know how, there is another option, Nissan patrol axles which ate stronger than a g but only come with rear locker, you'll not get any info from tony as he's never forth coming with info, unless it benefits him in some way!, if you have a spare £80k you could build one like Tonys, and still be beaten by landrovers :?
there was an article in TOR a year or so back about a bloke that fitted G axles to his jeep YJ. he was very impressed with the results.
hey pp, i think the nissan is getting to your head mate :shock: nissan axles stronger than g axles... :?
i think spanner anna needs to put you straight again :lol:
sorry Mac, you asked for advice and you don't like mine, so pick someone elses that you do like, there's quite a variety. It was not my intention to be rude to you, and I think you have nothing to be offended about, though for the record I would never encourage anyone to butcher a g-wagen to create what you propose. Put some pictures on when its done and let the forum judge its looks, good luck with your plan.
No intention of being offended. No intention of making a truck that looks good.
Intend on building a truck that performs using largly what I have already. I understand your stance on buthering a G wagon however surely cutting one up and truck cabbing it like you suggested is butchering a perfectly good example of a G wagon where as if I rescue a set of axles from a scrapyard I save them from the crusher when the price of scrap steel is good. :?
As I stated in my query all I am looking for is as the other guys picked up on info on diff ratios, axle width, diff rotation direction, which models years have the diff locks and disc brakes.
Surely when looking for this info the best place to turn is the forum for G wagons? :wink:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mercedes-307d-truck-86c-export-also-g-wagon-300d-e...
this was for sale a few weeks ago, might be what you're looking for? Reserve not met and a mobile number so might still be available.
dont forget the front diff rotates the other way to your zook, so if you rip out the zook transfer box when your at it and get a g wagen one as there both divorced, save you the hassle of trying to flip the front diff nearly all 460 G wagens you will find in the uk will have front and rear diff locks,an most will have a 4.8 diff, but none will have rear disc, easiest way for this is set of front discs and some rear calipers from any car with hydra-mechanical rear calipers.
other wise get two front axles 4-wheel steer and rear disc all in one!! lol
but as pp said earlier, later patrol axles will be much stronger than G wagen ones, but only have rear difflocks, some have rear disc and the front diff spins the wright way for your zook
There's a guy on diff lock that has g wagen axles on a Suzuki jimny, built by the same guy who put the g wagen axles on that jeep you talk about Huss, ewan Jenkins is the owner of that said jeep, the ras y daftodil organiser. What I believe you are looking for is a light vehicle with strong axles complete with lockers, and if done right, will perform impecably. But all these challenges now seem to be, how good is your winch!, I like to drive and the emphasise on winching so much is why I got out of the challenge scene last year
You are very right Peter, but what is generally even more sickening is that in so many cases it is who can throw the most amount of (in many cases tax deductable) money at a winch. I am along your thoughts - the further you can drive the better. So many people use a winch where there is no need. Maybe we should start our own challenge scene where points are marked against for use of the winch. Or only allow very basic slow winches.
Unfortunalty things evolve and while the challenge scene now is an exiting place it was far friendlier for the common 5/8 five years ago. IMO
Hi RMAC . I was wondering if you solved your axle problem / request . I will be breaking a few G's soon , I need to keep a few axle / transfer box combinations for ourselves but I would be happy to help out if I can , never mind all the strange comments you always seem to get on forums , Im all for modifying any type of vehicle to suit your type of events . the more different and interesting trucks the better . PM me for more info / phone number etc . Cheers
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Thanks for the info guys.
Basically looking to Military axles with front and rear lockers then.
Any specific year?
Excuse me Mr prwales but with all due respect if I wished advice on what vehicle to build then I would have asked for it.
It may well turn out to be a horror of a vehicle as you put it but it will be MY horror of a vehicle. I hope this is not the attitude taken to all newcomers on your site.
FYI I have competed againt Mr Baskill in the past, and while yes I am impressed with the quality of the vehicles he uses I am not building one of them and I will leave it at that!