In what ways a Jeep Wrangler is not as good as a G?
Please discuss...
You don't have to quite as mad to want one. :lol:
i'd love a 4.0 wrangler, just isnt enough room in them
But im tempted by the wrangler unlimited - I could see one of those for me next
hmmm, not enough room is a big issue! Really want a G cabrio but they are so rare and expensive!
My sister had a Wrangler 4.0 V8 and that was fun - although that's all it was - Fun. Ride quality was good for short journeys but anything more than about an hour or two your ears rang (she had a soft top) and the seats were not that much cop. But a capable vehicle. I would find it hard to own one now I have had the G
So just cowboy the hell up, stop being a sissy and get one!
Spider1V
lphong wrote:hmmm, not enough room is a big issue! Really want a G cabrio but they are so rare and expensive!
So just cowboy the hell up, stop being a sissy and get one!
Spider1V
BIG problem... not enough money for a decent G cabrio!
there is a slight wiff of Brokeback Mountain about them but apart from that they are ok. Check the suspension though as earliest are cart sprung, then half and half, coils at front and cart at rear and most recently coils all around. :wink:
are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
Yep, goto be spam
Name anything that’s come out of the wonderful USofA that’s got wheels and isn’t a pos
Oh no I forgot how I lust after a Crossfire :roll: :roll:
are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
hahahaha, it wasn't my friends this time. I just want a cheap convertible for flirting!!
An MG TF? http://www.mgmotor.co.uk/
A sound investment and build quality so much better than any Jeep :lol:
An MG TF? http://www.mgmotor.co.uk/
A sound investment and build quality so much better than any Jeep :lol:
My housemate last year has a W reg MGF, she used to let me drive it when I couldn't be bothered to warm up the G. Didn't like it that much really...
marcus wrote:are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
Yep, goto be spam
Name anything that’s come out of the wonderful USofA that’s got wheels and isn’t a pos
Oh no I forgot how I lust after a Crossfire :roll: :roll:
Dodge charger. Bullitt's mustang. Shelby.
have you seen the prop uj"s in a jeep wrangler !, they have to be the most daftest things I have seen!
Russ280 wrote:marcus wrote:are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
Yep, goto be spam
Name anything that’s come out of the wonderful USofA that’s got wheels and isn’t a pos
Oh no I forgot how I lust after a Crossfire :roll: :roll:
Dodge charger. Bullitt's mustang. Shelby.
Thanks for confirming my point :D :D
Actually given the resources I would probably have one each of those. They are still a pos from an automotive engineering point of view but that doesn’t preclude wanting one. Explain that if you can :?
Are you all out of your b#*@dy minds? You drive a G, if you want a cabriolet get a CLK.
onelab wrote:Russ280 wrote:marcus wrote:are we sure you are not on hols again?
And your friends are perhaps winding us up on your behalf?
jat
M
Yep, goto be spam
Name anything that’s come out of the wonderful USofA that’s got wheels and isn’t a pos
Oh no I forgot how I lust after a Crossfire :roll: :roll:
Dodge charger. Bullitt's mustang. Shelby.
Thanks for confirming my point :D :D
Actually given the resources I would probably have one each of those. They are still a pos from an automotive engineering point of view but that doesn’t preclude wanting one. Explain that if you can :?
Well to be fair, assuming you're talking about the Cobra, then the Shelby only has an American engine.... the body is from the UK...
And agree that I wouldn't mind any of them too.. especially a Shelby Daytona... also I wouldn't say no to a GT40....
You old guys! Wake up 1.6l engines are faster than those old farts these days.
Does that include diesel 1.6's? :idea:
Possibly, at least when compared to the Cobra.
You old guys! Wake up 1.6l engines are faster than those old farts these days.
Ya but they don't sound as good! I'd much rather own a Shelby than a go-cart....
Are you all out of your b#*@dy minds? You drive a G, if you want a cabriolet get a CLK.
OK I don’t mind being called old…………..but I’m NOT a hairdresser :lol: :lol:
LEEU wrote:You old guys! Wake up 1.6l engines are faster than those old farts these days.
Ya but they don't sound as good! I'd much rather own a Shelby than a go-cart....
Sound good when stationary
The only sound you hear above 30mph is the crunching noise associated with going through a hedge backwards :lol: :lol:
Ok, I agree with the hairdresser bit, and maybe that is the reason I sold mine, although it was a fast hairdresser. I got caught for doing 269km/h once, but it was an emergency, it got investigated and I got off with a warning. After that I NEVER speed.
What are we arguing about, didn't we all decide on G's after all? (Except Max at the moment)
Ok, I agree with the hairdresser bit, and maybe that is the reason I sold mine, although it was a fast hairdresser. I got caught for doing 269km/h once, but it was an emergency, it got investigated and I got off with a warning. After that I NEVER speed.
What are we arguing about, didn't we all decide on G's after all? (Except Max at the moment)
Sorry I disagree a CLK convertible is NOT a hairdressers car. :evil: The one I owned - a 430V8, which had AMG tuning in tanzanite blue would frighten ANY hair dresser out there!
*tish* and *sniff*
Spider1V
Mine was a little 230 Brabus in silver with black interior and 220 horses under the bonnet, but I must say I did get a bit to much attention driving around Brighton.
Mine was a little 230 Brabus in silver with black interior and 220 horses under the bonnet, but I must say I did get a bit to much attention driving around Brighton.
Brighton you say???? Good looking fella like you, not surprised! (220 horses? HA! 360 (could not go any higher as it would have started to twist the chassis!)
Spider1V
Ok bigmouth, what was your fuel consumption? How does 36ml/gal sound?
And now it cost me the equivalent of 50ml/gal, what did you say do you get with your 500 monster again?
What are we arguing about, didn't we all decide on G's after all? (Except Max at the moment)
Oi! I resemble that remark thank you very much!
Ok bigmouth, what was your fuel consumption? How does 36ml/gal sound?
And now it cost me the equivalent of 50ml/gal, what did you say do you get with your 500 monster again?
Listen mate - you may worry about your MPG while 'cruzing' around Brighton, but us more manly guys worry about MPH! :P :P :P
Spider1V
Hmmmm, the CLK is very nice... and attractive looking, too! But I don't have the resources to get one with a 'manly' engine :S. How about a early 90's SL with a M103?
Oh Yeah - Jeep Wrangler (as already hinted in this post) could advertise you maybe 'Light of Foot' - was heavily featured in a series called 'Queer as folk' basically it dented the sales of the jeep in the UK (except Brighton :wink: )
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
=Pram, don't do it. A canvas roofed effort by all means but the electric folding roof of the g-cabriolet makes the thing more embarrassing than a Wrangler.
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
murrrrr... my parents refused to get me a £600 suzuki SJ413 a few years back, doubt they would pay for a £20k+ G Cabrio :'(
Spider1V wrote:
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
murrrrr... my parents refused to get me a £600 suzuki SJ413 a few years back, doubt they would pay for a £20k+ G Cabrio :'(
OMG A clear case of child abuse if ever I saw it! :shock:
Spider1V
lphong wrote:Spider1V wrote:
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
murrrrr... my parents refused to get me a £600 suzuki SJ413 a few years back, doubt they would pay for a £20k+ G Cabrio :'(
OMG A clear case of child abuse if ever I saw it! :shock:
Spider1V
HAHAHAHAHA, that's typical Oriental parenting!
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
=Pram, don't do it. A canvas roofed effort by all means but the electric folding roof of the g-cabriolet makes the thing more embarrassing than a Wrangler.
Yep got to agree with that. Either could be a candidate for my game of pointing and laughing at them as they cruise on by. Possibly a convertible Mini is more cringe worthy? :lol:
If you insist on a 4x4 convertible the only one that could be OK is a Defender.
Cars? A Lotus Elise, but if it has to be a MB (not that any appeal that much) a mid to later 90’s SL
In response to your original question, I think everyone has described the image of a Wrangler very well.
As for the actual mechanic’s of the thing IMHO, horrible build quality. Extremely nasty to drive on road, later ones have coil spring suspension in an effort (unsuccessful) to sort this out.
4.0 petrol quick (if you have a death wish). Thirsty
2.5 petrol. Horrible agricultural engine. Slow, thirsty
2.8 Diesel. Don’t know but if it’s a US designed/built engine it will be junk.
Only thing going for it is the iron age engineering, which you could construe as nice and basic and easily worked on.
Off road no better or worse than it’s contemporises I guess.
In response to your original question, I think everyone has described the image of a Wrangler very well.
As for the actual mechanic’s of the thing IMHO, horrible build quality. Extremely nasty to drive on road, later ones have coil spring suspension in an effort (unsuccessful) to sort this out.
4.0 petrol quick (if you have a death wish). Thirsty
2.5 petrol. Horrible agricultural engine. Slow, thirsty
2.8 Diesel. Don’t know but if it’s a US designed/built engine it will be junk.
Only thing going for it is the iron age engineering, which you could construe as nice and basic and easily worked on.
Off road no better or worse than it’s contemporises I guess.
hahahahaha, thank you for the analysis. That's a very dramatic answer!!
Spider1V wrote:lphong wrote:Spider1V wrote:
Just save the pennies and ask mum and dad for the money and get a G Cabrio!
Spider1V
murrrrr... my parents refused to get me a £600 suzuki SJ413 a few years back, doubt they would pay for a £20k+ G Cabrio :'(
OMG A clear case of child abuse if ever I saw it! :shock:
Spider1V
HAHAHAHAHA, that's typical Oriental parenting!
No, you're missing their reasoning... one is a motorcycle... they will surely spend the money on something safe which would help protect their pride and joy of a son!!!
Suzukis fall over. Gs don't, well mostly don't, but that was another thread. What about a proper old Alfa Spider, if u don't mind the tinworm and a few repairs - add the Raybans and you've got cafe cruising style on wheels. (Am I the only one living in a time warp here?)
What about a proper old Alfa Spider, if u don't mind the tinworm and a few repairs - add the Raybans and you've got cafe cruising style on wheels. (Am I the only one living in a time warp here?)
I’m with you on that one. In fact just about any classic Italian would do. Having said that the Italians have the knack of making truly desirable cars which at the very same time can be complete junk, weird.
In my youth I always wanted an Alfasud Sprint Ti, luckily for me my insurance company didn’t share my desire and always made them unobtainable :)
Problem with an alfa is you need to have good road side recovery insurance...
I've already got my eye on a cabrio that is reliable and at least is related to the G... and it may just well push back G ownership...
Russ - Tony had a 1750GTV in the late 70s (!!!!), and always hankered after a Sud - doubt there are any left anywhere outside museums now - they seemed to rot faster than Spider in the outside lane.
Max - lovely car - do you need a Panama or a flat cap for that one?
Max - lovely car - do you need a Panama or a flat cap for that one?
Neither - for guys just a sharp suit and sunglasses. Oh and a beautiful girl with a Hermes scarf in her hair and big sunglasses sitting in the passenger seat....
If you're a girl you just need the scarf and sunglasses and an empty passenger seat!
How common, if you want a really rare classic, how about a VW Fridolin :D
Shame they never did a Fridolin syncro.
onelab wrote:Max - lovely car - do you need a Panama or a flat cap for that one?
Neither - for guys just a sharp suit and sunglasses. Oh and a beautiful girl with a Hermes scarf in her hair and big sunglasses sitting in the passenger seat....
So thats you out then? :lol: :wink:
Spider1V
Hang on - LP wants a car to cruise in here, and this is getting a bit Grace Kelly (or Gwyneth) - how about an MX-5 - aren't they cheap and fun? A bit more High Street than Hermes, but lower maintenance.
for guys just a sharp suit and sunglasses. Oh and a beautiful girl with a Hermes scarf in her hair and big sunglasses sitting in the passenger seat....
If you're a girl you just need the scarf and sunglasses and an empty passenger seat!
agreed!
to Max: my parents said to me in a few occasions, 'don't ever come home again if you bought a motor bike.' I think they meant it :S
to onelab: is MX-5 the one with a wankel engine? sounds interesting!
Hang on - LP wants a car to cruise in here, and this is getting a bit Grace Kelly (or Gwyneth) - how about an MX-5 - aren't they cheap and fun? A bit more High Street than Hermes, but lower maintenance.
true.... any girl with an Hermes scarf is probably quite high maintenance...
... and getting back to the original question posed. The Wrangler is only half as good as the G, but then again its only half the price!
The Wrangler JK is the first to come in a four door version. The striking things when moving from a G are how thin the bodywork feels, how cheap the plastic looks, how high the dashboard is and how small the windows. All 'round visibility in the G is superb by comparison. The four door Rubicon version is the one with front and rear difflocks, but unfortunately not available in the UK. There is no undersealing that I can see, so rust in our climate is likely to be a problem.
The VM Motori 2.8 CRD engine has reasonable power and torgue. The 21mpg is a pleasant change after the G's 12-14mpg. This should be a reasonably durable engine as well; see http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=56
There are things to like about the JK. Although the body is thin, the chassis looks reasonably strong. The whole of the roof is removable and replaceable with a soft-top. There is an enormous range of after-market bits to buy to modify it, although you have to be prepared to import most from the US; better when there was $2 to the pound, less so now. The JK pictured has an ARB 2" lift, front and rear steel bumpers [to replace the horrible plastic ones], so doesn't look too shabby next to the G.
So here I go adding all the aftermarket bits to the JK to try to bring it up to G standard ... knowing that I will never succeed. Then again how many of us will be able to afford a new RHD G-wagen when they go on sale next year?
Problem with an alfa is you need to have good road side recovery insurance...
I've already got my eye on a cabrio that is reliable and at least is related to the G... and it may just well push back G ownership...
Max, have you ever heard of these guys?
Mechatronik SL - Pagoda
A friend of mine has a pagoda that has undergone this conversion... a 280sl pagoda that now has an m113 lump in it... we're talking absolutely STUPID money but you know what? I think it was worth every penny. The car is the ultimate Q-car, sleeper-beast... so beautiful and elegant, with a nasty nasty demon living under the bonnet. Lots of work needs to be done all over to ensure that the car can handle having an m113, but it's "unreal cool". Of course, you might find tampering with such a classic unimagineable... but my friend did this to his second, rather beat up pagoda, leaving the better one cherry.
And can you guess which one is his fave to drive? :wink: His wife prefers it too! (Guess it's the extra "grumble" ahem :D )
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hmmm, not enough room is a big issue! Really want a G cabrio but they are so rare and expensive!