original MB suspension lift
I have seen different springs for G's for sale around the internet.
I am leaning towards the +40mm setup from ORC...but there also seem to be original MB springs around with different color codes (yelow stripe, green stripe etc...)
Is there anyone who can say how much lift a certain color code gives?
Also...do I need different schocks with the + 40mm ORC setup? Other things that need to be adapted when I fit these?
thx a lot in advance...
G
I was searching suspension lift for offroad driving too and thinking about ORC... :)
Info from seller in Germany from ebay:
Red and white springs are too hard , the short G will drive like a rabbit or
like a suzuki , don`t buy red or white for a short version G , long wheel
base can be ok with red front springs if the G has an heavy bumper with
winch, it lifts up the G for 40mm.
the ORC suspension will fit all short version G accept the G55K .
Easydeluxe. I've looked into the matter quite a lot. With a +40mm spring, you won't need to change your dampers: so says the lady at ORC! In reality, considering that you're going to be expeditioning/overlanding, you may want to go for a more heavy duty damper. It really comes down to how much you'll load I suppose. My G300 has the standard springs and I felt these to be a little on the soft side when the vehicle was fully loaded (I don't know if the Diesels have the same springs by the way). I will opt for a stiffer spring (and probably damper in the form of Koni Heavy Track Raids - had these on my Defender and they are excellent - if funds allow): ORC make a 'blue' one which is more equivalent to the G500 springs (i.e. stiffer than the 300 petrols) and the vehicle feels more responsive. They also make a heavier-duty version if you fancy it. By the way, Old Man Emu also make springs for the G. From my Defender days, I like the EMU springs, but not the dampers, again I would opt for the Konis: the reason I'm not leaning towards these is simply because whoever sells them doesn't want to discuss their properties over the phone. Hope that helps/ph
Thank you,
ORC offered +40mm springs, bilstein shocks and a longer brake line kit as their solution for my needs.
I got 10% as a GWOA member.
Now I am a little afraid that I am going to need a DC propshaft.
thx
G
Hi Easydeluxe. You, like I, are still in the LR mode: On my 110 I had to fit a DC front propshaft when I put a 2"+ lifted spring set on and I also asked myself this question many times for the G. On the G: nothing extra should be needed - even if you fit 40mm+ springs AND a 40 mm+ bodylift kit. Seriously, fit your springs and you'll find that you won't need anything else. The reason is that the angle between the Tbox and the diff/axle is far less on the G than the LR because the Tbox is situated further back on the chassis. If you look underneath your G, you'll see what I mean: there is actually a connecting shaft (about 30cm long) that leads from the Gbox to the Tbox: the propshafts are resultingly huge. You'll remember that on the LR, the Tbox is attached immediately on to the gbox, thus locating the front drive output shaft flange much closer to the front diff: when lifted, the front prop on the LR always stuggled to fit onto the front diff input and this is why you probably also had to fit a DC prop as I did to stop that terrible vibration noise. The Gs axles also tend to be a bit closer to the body giving less internal wheel clearance than the LR. The disadvantage of the G, versus the LR, is that the axles don't tend to articulate as much (admittedly in fairly extreme circumstances) but you do have diff locks as standard. I suppose, once one gets used to the LR's articulation, it is difficult not to want it on anything else (because it is safer, let's face it, to have more wheels on the ground). You may want to opt for the 40mm bodylift as well as you effectively get back what you could 'lose out' on. Like everything, its personal choice and what your intentions are to do with the car I suppose. Hope that helps/ph
thanks 4 the reassuring info...
I am only going to fit larger springs...for getting a little bit more clearance under the running boards and also to compensate for the extra weight when travelling. I am also very keen on keeping it as original as possible. I am going to pamper this truck and offroad will be only travel. (mostly sahara, where I lost my hart)
G wagen will take the 40mm spring lift with no need for DC props. Brake pipes should be ok too. Konis heavy track shocks will be the best and will cope with the spring lift too.
Regards,
Mike
I maybe about to contradict Phileas a little. I fitted +40mm springs on my 460 and had no issues at all. The on road ride / handing was superb (I had chucked away components that were maybe 18yrs old which may have had something to do with it!) and off road was noticeably improved.
I have no knowledge of 463’s with this lift but I seem to recall that people have reported vibration issues on lifted 463’s. This maybe rumour/folklore because I can’t really figure why it would be OK on a 460 but not a 463. The basic architecture of the drivetrains being very similar.
The suggestion being that the UJ’s wear in a particular position that you upset by lifting it. Km’s of use will have a bearing on this and yours is very low.
I seem to recall Piggysims has fitted a DC due to vibration problems but he may have more than a 40mm lift.
From your description of your proposed use std. would be absolutely no problem at all. If you look at some of my photo’s from Morocco you will see that there is virtually no sag at all at the rear even with gear for 3 people in there. I have purposely kept mine as std as possible to avoid reliability issues.
Hopefully someone with 1st hand knowledge of lifted 463’s will throw something in.
Russ
http://www.gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2885
Piggy's is a 40mm lift, see above.
Russ. Interesting and I read the lead by Dan. I've bought the 40mm + springs and will let you know how I get on. I spoke to ORC and TBR (in Germany, not the UK I may add) and they said that the car shouldn't have any problems. I've test driven about 4 Gs (all 463s) with suspension lift and/or body lifts and didn't notice any vibrations. I'm pretty sure they didn't have a DC prop shaft fitted as this is a point that stung my wallet on my defender. What I did notice on the Defenders is that some needed them and others didn't: this apperently depended on the bushes fitted. The Superpro bushes seemed to alliviate the issue with having to fit DC shafts: I don't know why. However, to get back to the G, I will let you know my findings.
Thanks for the input/ph
I’ll be interested in how it works out. I liked my 460 with it’s lift but it’s purpose in life was different to the 463.
Of course you realise that with the lift it will look under wheeled and tyred so you’ll need bigger ones. Which will mean the gearings wrong. Sorry couldn’t resist :lol: :lol:
Just commenting that there’s no perfect solution and you can go round and round for ever with these things.
Russ
I was asking myself where I wouldn't be able to go with this car on 31" tyres and without lift. So I tried to remember the most difficult passages of my former travels. And I concluded that with a little more careful driving and a spotter I would have managed 98% of the tracks and pistes. Also the difficult stuff you can mostly avoid. The exceptions are after heavy rains when some pistes become challenge style.
I think I am going to try a trip to the sahara with the car stock & fit BFG AT's 31 10,5 15
Thank you for all the input & feedback!
Yes, now you got the right idea, the penny drops!
Actually just back from Morocco and the dunes in Erfoud for a few days. The A/T's in BFG were on every vehicle we drove and no prob's over tracks ,trails, rock and sand.
Regards,
Mike
I was asking myself where I wouldn't be able to go with this car on 31" tyres and without lift. So I tried to remember the most difficult passages of my former travels. And I concluded that with a little more careful driving and a spotter I would have managed 98% of the tracks and pistes. Also the difficult stuff you can mostly avoid. The exceptions are after heavy rains when some pistes become challenge style.
I think I am going to try a trip to the sahara with the car stock & fit BFG AT's 31 10,5 15
Thank you for all the input & feedback!
I’ll be absolutely stunned if you return with stories about it not being up to the terrain and you couldn’t do what you wanted :)
Russ
easydeluxe wrote:I was asking myself where I wouldn't be able to go with this car on 31" tyres and without lift. So I tried to remember the most difficult passages of my former travels. And I concluded that with a little more careful driving and a spotter I would have managed 98% of the tracks and pistes. Also the difficult stuff you can mostly avoid. The exceptions are after heavy rains when some pistes become challenge style.
I think I am going to try a trip to the sahara with the car stock & fit BFG AT's 31 10,5 15
Thank you for all the input & feedback!
I’ll be absolutely stunned if you return with stories about it not being up to the terrain and you couldn’t do what you wanted :)
Russ
I am sure the trip would be just as beautiful and adventurous. I am also convinced that such a capable offroader is able to reach every destination I want to go, even in standard form. But no standard longwheelbase G wagen is able to do the things a short lifted big tyred fully locked landrover can do. With a short wheel based lifted and big tyred G wagen you can propably do even more, and in more comfort, with more reliability. But when traveling those difficult parts are the ones you specificly look for and when you leave the track. Those are also the places where I used to damage the car and break driveshafsts etc...
So I am trying to do it standard, and use the money for a few extra trips!
I can't wait....and again thanks for the valuable input. I have to restrain myself from the urge to throw money at this machine...
G
My G is just back from the workshop...
It was in brandnew condition mostly, but there where two things wrong with her....the exhaust was corroded from standing still for too long and it is repaired.
But the rear springs are apparently tired....the two to windings are almost together. So now the last stupid question.
Which are the highest stiffest original MB springs the red or the white ones?
thanks again!
G
http://www.gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7820&start=0
White. Red only seems to relate to front springs in any event.
White. Red only seems to relate to front springs in any event.
So says that chart, but how do you explain this ad:
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360198801519&ssPa...
Sorry, MB do make a red rear spring. Part no A460 324 08 04. White are listed as the heavy duty though.
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