Supplier for Intermediate Bulk Containers of cooking oil

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Well?
I seem to come up blank on an internet search
Phoned a couple of local suppliers ( from the ph book )
They are not interested
Am also trying the farming community directly
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Marcus

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pretend to be a chip shop

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Marcus check out the members here http://www.neoda.org.uk/

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Thanks Bear
I suspect that most of the suppliers are not intrested in a "one off" deal
Prefer a contract arrangment for x litres per week/month
Me
I want x litres per annum
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So I stopped in at my local agricultural sundrysman/thinngy depot
on the way home at lunchtime
An IBU of Soya oil= 1000 litres = £265.00
I said, that sounds too cheap, so he checked
26.5 ppl he says :lol:
So is Soya oil OK ??
Befoie I order

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Legacy

Rudolf Diesel
(1858-1913)After Diesel's death, the diesel engine underwent much development, and became a very important replacement for the steam piston engine in many applications. Because the diesel engine required a heavier, more robust construction than a gasoline engine, it was not widely used in aviation (but see aircraft diesel engine). However, the diesel engine became widespread in many other applications, such as stationary engines, submarines, ships, and much later, locomotives, trucks, and in modern automobiles. Diesel engines are most often found in applications where a high torque requirement and low RPM requirement exist. Because of their generally more robust construction and high torque, diesel engines have also become the workhorses of the trucking industry. Recently, diesel engines that have overcome this weight penalty have been designed, certified, and flown in light aircraft. These engines are designed to run on either diesel fuel or more commonly jet fuel.

The diesel engine has the benefit of running more fuel-efficiently than gasoline engines. Diesel was interested in using coal dust [7] or vegetable oil as fuel, and his engine, in fact, was run on peanut oil.[8] Although these fuels were not immediately popular, during 2008 rises in fuel prices coupled with concerns about oil reserves have led to more widespread use of vegetable oil and biodiesel. The primary source of fuel remains what became known as diesel fuel, an oil byproduct derived from refinement of petroleum.

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Go down the route of bio heating oil..1/2 price & exactly the same..as Bio.

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These guys seem to have done a little research on the subject.

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=4987

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STOP MARCUS!

I think I might have blown my engine. I will start opening up today, then I will be able to have a look at injectors etc, but don't do anything until we know what my engine looks like on the inside.

I have covered about 15k on my bio fuel on this car, but with my old 460 td I did a hell of a lot more with no problems. So I would say go for it in 617's but wait with 603's.

Didn't want to start, gave it a run start and there was just billows of blue smoke, running rough, and no power. Had to go into low 1st to get it home, but nothing here to tow it...

More later.

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I know it's not the fuel, the injectors are perfect, pump seems to function, Worked 'till 01:00 last night and still don't know what it is, but I am 100 % sure it wasn't caused by running bio.

If I can get soy oil at that price I would buy it too.

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LEEU wrote:
I know it's not the fuel, the injectors are perfect, pump seems to function, Worked 'till 01:00 last night and still don't know what it is, but I am 100 % sure it wasn't caused by running bio.

If I can get soy oil at that price I would buy it too.
Sorry to put a dampener on things LEEU but veg oil does have at least one major problem (I won't use it). A quick Google search brings up:
RING-GUMMING.........

When exposed to heat and oxygen Veggy-Oil will start to break down. It starts to thicken and polymerise and as time goes on, it turns from a sticky brown 'goo' into a hard black Coke/Carbon material. Just take a look at the frying-pan in your favorite Greasy-Spoon!

Any unburned veggy or partially burned veggy hitting the cylinder-walls will find its way to the Piston-Ring grooves on the next upward stroke of the piston. This veggy will collect in the gap behind the rings and the small clearances either side of the ring and piston. As time heat and plenty of oxygen are available, it breaks down and sets solid, sticking the ring in its groove, so it can no longer follow the irregularities of the cylinder-wall and seal the piston, as it was intended.

This ring gumming is slow and progressive, The speed at which it happens is dependent on Many factors The main ones being the temperature of the combustion-chamber and the condition of the injector atomisation, but as it progresses, gets faster and faster, at a weirdly logarithmic rate...

This causes loss of compression pressure gradually over weeks/months of use. which contributes to the secondary effect....Often the slow and progressive slight power loss may not even be noticed, or blamed on other issues, such as blocking filters or the choice of veggy oil or even the weather (No one wants to admit even to themselves there's something nasty growing in the Crank-Case!)....

(A Diesel Engine relies on the fact that when air is compressed, it gets hot, just like the effect noticed when pumping up a bicycle tyre. It depends on this heat for the ignition of the fuel. If for some reason there is a loss of air, say, from leaky rings, the peak temperature attained by the air at the point where the piston is at Top Dead-Centre, A.K.A. Top of the cylinder, the point of maximum compression pressure, the air will be cooler than intended, thus there is a very real danger of incomplete combustion, or even a complete Misfire, where the veggy wont burn at all, Pale bluish or White-Smoke in exhaust and maybe an unsteady engine when idling)

Not all the veggy is burned Particularly when cold, so this just adds to the supply of 'Ring-Glue'

As it progresses, the amounts of unburned veggy in the combustion chamber/cylinder, increase where it will pass to the lubrication oil by the operation of the oil control rings scraping it off the bores. The Oil Scraper/Control rings, being the lowest on the piston are last to be affected, The Top ring, which is the main sealing ring and subject to the full force of combustion pressure is first to go...

(Just as well the Oil-Control ring is last to go, or the engine could have otherwise end up in a runaway condition where it burns all its lube-oil in a minute or two and hits revs the makers would never have dreamed possible...The danger to life when driving a vehicle when this happens is better not even imagined, You CANT SHUT IT DOWN!....although I dont need to imagine it...Its happened many years ago to me....)

This ring gumming is Progressive and Accelerating Process, Thats why its so Insidious!

The Veggy builds up in the engine lube-oil....

There comes a 'Critical Mass' point, (although before this, it can thicken to some extent but without careful testing the amount of contamination cannot really be assessed),- where the Mineral Lube-oil and the Veggy oil are in the right proportions with the normal engine heat and other forces to react to form a polymer, and on that fateful day the engine cools after the 'Critical-Mass' has been reached where the lube-oil will set solid, just like jelly!

-Seen it happen, Very strange stuff is evolved...Same consistancy as Dessert Jelly, with the wobble and shake to boot, but greenish black opaque and covered in a clear yellow thin oily fluid. It has a slight but weird almost linseed/white spirit type smell too....

Next engine start, youll not have any oil pressure, and if not noticed, engine destruction will occur within minutes.....

IF the Lube-Oil is changed, then the risk of Polymerisation is removed....For Now...
The Ring-Gumming continues its destructive course, untill the point that there is insufficient compression to attain combustion at all. The outcome is the engine just will not start, Maybe a tow-start will get it going but it will soon die perminently!

OK, So you keep an eye on the Lube-Oil level....Great, Spiffin, Marvelous!

This will only tell you that incomplete combustion and ring problems have already started, if you see an increase in level....
You could have an engine, maybe not in its first flush of youth or just because of its design, that normally uses a small amount of Lube-Oil anyway, so the slow dilution with veggy will keep pace with its normal oil use....The lube dilution will then not be noticed, or maybe mistaken that the engine is no longer using up its lube-oil....The outcome is inevitable....

I hope this will prevent just one engine self-destructing on veggy oil and explains the Importance of a Twin-Tank system for the Modern (and Not so Modern....) Direct Injection Diesel engine...

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can you put redex into a diesel cylinder head? It works its magic on carbonised gum in a petrol engine so why not in the oil burner? I don't know the answer just posing the question.

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I was aware of the "esterfication" as it was described of the lube oil issue
cept my tinternet source said it only applied to direct injection diesels.
I presume that warming up on dino diesel ie a twin tank system will circumvent this issue.
No action taken as yet anyway.
, the cub is still taking driving lessons with an instructor
probably more cost effective than putting him on our insurance in the meantime
I would consider running the dear old Galaxy out on straight veggie
shes fucked anyway
( da scrappage)