Long Range Fuel Tank

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Does anyone know if there are off-the-shelf additional fuel tanks available for Gs?

Or do you have to make one? :idea:

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there were small in- wing tanks that you could have with a 460 280 ge which was always a good idea as the car was so thirsty. However the filler neck is in a different position on the later 463 cars so it would not be much use to you, why not use 20 litre jerry cans with a funnel or one of the purpose made spouts.

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ORC makes some. Also take a look at David Pearson's photo gallery as he has pics of some - but his are very low.

Have also seen one that fits inside and basically raises the floor.

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Thanks guys,

I was wondering about putting a tank up in the chassis. It looks like there is plenty of room for a flatish, rectangular tank. Maybe even 40 ltrs.

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You may be able to order these directly from MB soon (at what price I can't even speculate!). I believe that the Australian Military 461's will have at least one and sometimes two supplementary tanks chassis mounted (not the saddle tanks). From memory they were about 30-50 litres depending on the placement.

John

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i think that the one david has is about 90litres roughly, so i reckon you could comfortably do 70 and still go off-road

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It would be great to buy one (or two) from MB but they probably cost more than the car!!!

John - do you think I should contact MB Australia or MB Europe to check availablility?

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This is (I think) a fairly new development and may not be in production as yet. I do not believe that MB Australia would have any idea at this point. I think you would need a vin from a vehicle with them fitted. At this stage I don't believe any of the Australian Production vehicles have been built. Only Prototypes (without the tanks).

You may have to wait until later this year.

John

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Maxwell Smart wrote:
i think that the one david has is about 90litres roughly, so i reckon you could comfortably do 70 and still go off-road

Ohhh Really? Anyone have any pictures? And do you know if you have to fill them up from a different nozzle? Will it have any impact (apart from extra weight) with off roading abilities?

Thanks

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No it fills up from same nozzle. It is only a storage tank in that when your main tank is low you press a button and then it gets topped up from the auxiliary tank. David always jokes that it is the only time that you will drive a G500 and see the fuel level rising.

Richard - I would look at a veggie tank if I were you... take a look at www.w463.de.

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I think any decent ss fabricator could build a custom one to go in that space. The difficulty is devising a filler for the 463 which would not mess up the standard one. David's has a method by which the standard filler overflows to the secondary tank automatically. The ORC one has a separate filler behind the flap so is still neat. David's hangs down too far for my liking but otherwise is spot on

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Roly,

I'd like to find one in plastic (ss is very heavy). Do you think there are off-the-shelf standard rectangular plastic tanks out there that would be ok for diesel? Or could it be fabricated in plastic?

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Maxwell,

I'm not sure that I want a tank inside the car, although 88 litres is tempting. I wouldn't leave much room for our 3 dogs.

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OK the tank wouldn't have to be ss, mild steel would do. I don't know anything about custom plastic tanks. As for an off the shelf tank, well you may be lucky but it wouldn't use every available inch of space and so waste alot of potential fuel volume. A jerry can would be just as good.

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Was thinking more about the double filler on that link.

I wouldn't worry about the weight of the tanks. As Roly says you can maximise space with SS. Also if you figure that towing a boat barely makes a difference to a G's performance then the weight of a fuel tank certainly won't either. Besides the contents will weigh way more than the tank.

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Slightly off-topic but I found a bit of info on the Australian military contract.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/10/29/205192.html

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I think you may be right Maxwell. It sounds like it's going to be expensive whatever the options are. A few years ago I wanted to get a small ss water tank made for our Discovery but at around £1,000 it was too much.

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What if :idea: you secured a standard tank of some kind to a roof-rack and carried a piece of hose long enough to go from a tap on said tank to your filler cap. Then you could just attach the hose, open the tap and top up as and when required.

Not sure about the logistics of filling the roof tank up, or the risks of driving around with 100litres of fuel above you head :shock: Although perhaps better off there than underneath you?

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:) think 100 litres up on the roof will make the C of G a lot higher which does not sound to good ,,

i'd do a bit more research into small car fuel tanks , i've got a nice small rectangular plastic fuel tank from a citroen 2CV , i'm going to fit it into an ex military raidtrac 412 bit like an argocat but made of alloy and has tracks ,,, actualy i think the fuel tank from an argocat would be good small rectangular tank would fit in the back between rear arch'es behind rear seat , or could be underslung but would need a bash gaurd ,

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:) just been searching through big boys toys 2005 catalogue , these do parts for vw beach buggy's and aircooled beetle's ,, they sell aluminium fuel tanks with end or centre fill options , 8" or 10" diameter ,
3,5,6,7,10,and 11 gallon, lenghts 16" to 33" , should be able to alter for remote filler ,, 2005 prices from #85 to #109 , :D check the link below

http://www.vwheritage.com/bbt/Aftermarket-Aircooled/Engine-Parts/Fuel-Ta...

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Thanks Phil.

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Richard, came to this a bit late but anyway I have an internal auxilliary fuel tank - it actually fits where the rear bench seat was and is 140litres which is obviously bigger than you need but you could probably fit 50 litres under the seat - then I have a small facet pump to transfer to the cars filler neck by having a 'T' piece in the breather pipe. If you want more details of plumbing let me know.
CAK tanks make custom plastic tanks for water and probably diesel too.
You could also pick up a SS boat fuel tank on ebay.
Alisport will make one in aluminum.
One of the 4x4 outfittters in the UK sells an orange plastic tank which again is used in boats normally.
http://www.oppositelock.com.au/redesign/department/productDetails.aspx?d...

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Dentsmithy,

Thanks for the links. My favourite option is for a plastic tank in the chassis. It looks like I might be able to find one the right size, or have one made to spec.

I'm not very technical but am I right in thinking that if the top of the new tank is lower than the old one and the bottom is higher, then I just need a fuel line between the bottom of the 2 tanks and a breather in the new one, and the fuel flow will happen by gravity?

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:) i'd use a pump and maybe tap the flow high up in the filler vent pipe ,, that way if you get rock damage to the new tank you'll not loose all your fuel :)

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RichardC wrote:
Dentsmithy,

Thanks for the links. My favourite option is for a plastic tank in the chassis. It looks like I might be able to find one the right size, or have one made to spec.

I'm not very technical but am I right in thinking that if the top of the new tank is lower than the old one and the bottom is higher, then I just need a fuel line between the bottom of the 2 tanks and a breather in the new one, and the fuel flow will happen by gravity?

Basically, the existing fuel tank is as high as you can get under the chassis so if you put an auxiliary tank underneath then you will need to pump it. If the auxiliary tank goes inside the rear of the car (ie. rearward of the rear passenger footwell) then you can gravity feed.

I remember one of the German companies had a tank that sat in the rear load space with a filler above, but within the opening of the filler flap and fed by gravity. Any race/offroad tank manufacturer should be able to do the full manufacture and install for you - Alisport in the UK certainly.