engaging diff locks question

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I have only done this when the car is stationary. I just wondered what the manual said - it said "be sure to engage diff locks when the vehicle is at walking speed and the wheels are not slipping".

Presumably stationary is fine? Just it is not good to engage them at speed (I guess the electronics wouldn't go it if you were going too fast??)

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the trick is to engage them before you lose traction and if you are stationary it may be to late!

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the diff lock is hydraulic, but has a spring so when you activate the pressure builds up and when the castellations pair up spring releases the locker. G wagens dont have as many castellations as, say an ARB locker on a landrover, so it will take longer to activate. it doesnt matter if you are stationary, you can engage prior to any attack on the terrain, the locker will come in once its paired, dont rev the nuts off it as when it does lock it will put strain on the teeth and break, which is expensive.

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They won't actually activate when stationary, you need to be moving or at least your wheels need to be turning and at slightly different speeds. You can push the button while stationary but nothing will happen until you start to move unless by the off chance you happen to have the opposing teeth matched.

Just make sure you do not engage them while on pavement....

FYI - There are two lights opposite each switch. Yellow means you've activated the diff locks and red means it has physically engaged.

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Out of interest, Whats the fastest you could go with the back locked up?
I've just used them at crawling speed, but with this snow I had to use 4th low and about 3000rpm to blast up my hill. I presume this would break something or are the diffs stronger when locked?

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jasonatouchofclass wrote:
Out of interest, Whats the fastest you could go with the back locked up?
I've just used them at crawling speed, but with this snow I had to use 4th low and about 3000rpm to blast up my hill. I presume this would break something or are the diffs stronger when locked?

With the diff’s locked you potentially place greater stress on the drive train. With open diff’s the wheel with no grip will spin, dissipating the torque harmlessly. With the diff’s locked you have the potential to place all available torque through a single wheel I.E. the one which has grip.
High rev’s / high speed with the diff’s locked is asking for trouble.

Not sure if I’ve explained it too well but hopefully you get the picture.

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jasonatouchofclass wrote:
Out of interest, Whats the fastest you could go with the back locked up?
I've just used them at crawling speed, but with this snow I had to use 4th low and about 3000rpm to blast up my hill. I presume this would break something or are the diffs stronger when locked?

Its as russ has explained but you can go fast as long as the terrain under foot it soft, ie snow and mud etc. if for instance you were rock crawling, then thats different, you crawl :!: as the more grip you have the more stress you put on drive train, the lockers are designed to drive the wheel that is spinning,as well as the one that isn't, once out of trouble disengage.The stress is exaggerated once you start straying from a straight line, sharp turns put more stress as locked wheels travel at the same time, when you start turning, with lockers "out" the inside wheel will travel slower than the outside wheel in the turn. When lockers are in the inside wheel is fighting,hence why on solid ground its difficult to steer, with front locker in on solid ground its almost impossible. The drive train is very strong on a G, but having done much extreme off roading I have learnt a lot about when its right to engage and when its not. But for flying up a snowy hill with lockers in thats fine. What I have found with lockers on the G its a case of planning ahead, allowing for the delay in the activation of this type of locker. With say an air operated ARB its almost instant. So when you see potential trouble I would engage say 10-15ft in advance and vice versa.

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peter perfect wrote:
jasonatouchofclass wrote:
Out of interest, Whats the fastest you could go with the back locked up?
I've just used them at crawling speed, but with this snow I had to use 4th low and about 3000rpm to blast up my hill. I presume this would break something or are the diffs stronger when locked?

But for flying up a snowy hill with lockers in thats fine. What I have found with lockers on the G its a case of planning ahead, allowing for the delay in the activation of this type of locker. With say an air operated ARB its almost instant. So when you see potential trouble I would engage say 10-15ft in advance and vice versa.

That’s until one wheel finds some grippy tarmac………….expensive bang not far away :cry:

Guess how I know this :roll: :oops:

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hence why I said the more grip you get the more stress you put on the drive train, depends on how fast the wheel is spinning when it hits dry land ! and when is the right time to engage and disengage. We can give advice but to know how to do it with as less stress as possible its good to understand how the whole thing works. Understand your vehilce, training is a must I believe, I never had any, but the experience i have had, good and bad was a learning curve, seeing many half shafts broken in the Land rovers we off road with ARB's fitted compared to the G wagen I use to off road. Tony has broken many shafts but that was down to lots of BHP ! and mostly in the front, full lock, nose down. The worst things is when the front end becomes airborne, with front locker engaged and then hits the ground stopping the wheel, something has to give. We can all have 4x4 and think they are indestructable, but if you dont know how it works and whats involved, be it on your own head :wink:

Tells us more russ, what happened.

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peter perfect wrote:
The worst things is when the front end becomes airborne, with front locker engaged and then hits the ground stopping the wheel, something has to give. We can all have 4x4 and think they are indestructable, but if you dont know how it works and whats involved, be it on your own head :wink:

I‘m sure that method must be the what’s in the LR drivers manual judging by how most are used/abused. :lol:

Seriously one big advantage of a G is that IMHO you can be soo much more delicate in how you use it especially around rocks, cross axle situations etc due to the diff locks.

The expensive bang was a long while ago in an ARB fitted Defender. Too much bravado and right foot (I had wondered why someone I knew at the time had fitted them and then did their best not to actually engage them!?) Lots of speed /wheel spin on snow. One front wheel managed to find some tarmac and………bang
You live and learn as they say :roll:

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Defender, i was waiting for you to say that !. When on a challenge some 4 years ago we were crossed axled in a hole in a TD5. Told Paul to engage rear, wouldn't move, so he engaged the front,let up clutch and bang, one rear and one front half shaft went at the same time,and we werent even moving at that stage !, now he has strengthened shafts fitted as we have gone through so many. But std LR's shafts are much weaker than the G's anyway. We have seen the difference with the new up rated shafts.

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So I am wrong to put the central diff lock in to give me 4 wheel drive in high ratio?

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no not at all, but only when off road,engaging centre on road will cause wind up in t/box

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tarrick wrote:
So I am wrong to put the central diff lock in to give me 4 wheel drive in high ratio?

in a 463 you always have 4-wheel-hi unless you engage 4-lo!