RHD G55 off the line in Graz

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This is from AMG and of course you know the question asked! But do I take this as gospel or does anybody know differently?

Dear Mr. Noble,

Thank you for your kind inquiry.

Please be informed that we do not offer an afterwards conversion of a G320 CDI from LHD into RHD version.

Also the G55 RHD is no conversion of a LHD model, it does come ex-factory in RHD version !

We hope we have been of service to you with this information and remain

with kind regards

Volker Nieweg
Verkauf / Sales
Mercedes-AMG GmbH
W601-MS/PS
Daimlerstrasse 1
71563 Affalterbach/Germany

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Very very interesting
and I was NOT being scarcastic there Greg
As I seem to recall this one has been chewed over like a dogs bone
and again if I recall the consensus was that they left the line in LHD and were reconfigured to RHD by AMG
Which did not make any kind of sense to me.
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Well that is interesting. I was told by the head of Mercedes Cross Country Vehicles that they were converted by hand....

Unless perhaps the dashes and other parts are sent to AMG, converted and then sent back to Graz for assembly?

I know the LHD AMGs are all factory assembled and not sent to AMG like they do with other models.

Morty?

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Well, they are pretty much built by hand, anyway. I'm sure they are all built on the same line in Graz.

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Re: RHD G55 off the line in Graz

I'm sure that AMG know their stuff too. They couldn't possibly be mistaken about this. It may be that AMG supply the RHD components to Graz.

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I know they're built by hand - the GWOA often does trips to the factory.

What I meant to say was that we were told by Herr Achilles that LHDs were sent to AMG to be converted and that the dashes were converted by hand by physically cutting them in half and putting them back together again.

And as Head of the Cross Country Vehicle division at DC, I should hope that he knows what he is talking about too!

Of course I could of misheard him - which is why I am waiting for Mort to confirm since he was beside me when we were asking him

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Maxwell Smart wrote:
I know they're built by hand - the GWOA often does trips to the factory.

What I meant to say was that we were told by Herr Achilles that LHDs were sent to AMG to be converted and that the dashes were converted by hand by physically cutting them in half and putting them back together again.

And as Head of the Cross Country Vehicle division at DC, I should hope that he knows what he is talking about too!

Of course I could of misheard him - which is why I am waiting for Mort to confirm since he was beside me when we were asking him

Or Maybe he was 'corporate gagged' in telling the truth - Imagin 15 GWOA members turing up at the factory asking why are there no RHD's? the last thing MB would want to do is slit their ML and especially GL sales.

Imagine how many G 320's they would sell instead of ML320 or GL 320's...

reeks of corporate coverup!

Spider1V - conspiracies? What conspiracies….. (BTW who has cut my break lines….)

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This Achilles sometimes tells strange things. For example what he told about the Worker prices.

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The way i understood it was that RHD AMG'S were built in Graz, it was only the earlier ones that were built LHD and then converted to RHD.

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Well. here on the other side of the world, I've just woken to what looks like a storm brewing on these pages - and I hope so too. Can Herr Achilles be trusted with our next enquiry or should we do a little more fishing around first. Mort says write to him direct. Would this be best from here in NZ or from the GWOA? The enquiry probably going to stop with him.

Tanick here is going to order a new 320cdi in LHD (given no choice) and we know one other like us who will buy tomorrow if in RHD - that makes 3 already. There's Australia, Sth Africa, Singapore and Japan... and you guys!

Come on, lets make some waves and formally make a case for a 30th ANNIVERSARY limited run from Graz of a G for TODAY and TOMORROW ...the G320cdi in RHD. The 55k is dead! For heaven sakes Mort confirmed they only made 12 RHD last year. What are they going to do with all the bits they've pre-made for them as they approach 2010.

Answers please! Greg

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Mort says...

His obviously playing with the meaning of his words... ex-factory means Affalterbach, not Graz.

Jesús Fernández

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Exactly:

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Also the G55 RHD is no conversion of a LHD model, it does come ex-factory in RHD version !

The guy saying this works for Mercedes-AMG GmbH, a fully-owned subsidiary of Daimler.... Now add a little of New-Labour spin (German style) and you'll get the meaning.....

Before MY 2000, ALL G55 AMGs (LHD and RHD) left Graz as G500 and were sent to Affalterbach to be converted to G55s.

My gut feeling is that this is precisely what they do with the G55K in RHD... though they might not be completed in Graz, sent to Affalterbach and be finished there as RHD.

So in strit terms, there is no conversion from LHD to RHD.

And tha factory mentioned by that gentleman could perfectly be Affalterbach, not Graz.

Does it make any sense?

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I'm asking Volker to clarify

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Achilles has said that he would happily produce RHDs but that he needs the countries to commit to 200 units. I think he managed to get about 100 units.

MBUK won't commit to anything more than something like 30 or so which I think is less than SA will commit to. And yet MB in Germany feel that the UK should be able to sell the 200 units on its own.

Unfortunately most of the people that work at MBUK don't even realise that they still make the G....

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Quote:
"...........And yet MB in Germany feel that the UK should be able to sell the 200 units on its own.........."

Now that our friends and neighbours have seen my dad's G400 cabrio, they all want one too.... I'm certain that with a bit of publicity, MB UK could sell more than 200.

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Arnie wrote:
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"...........And yet MB in Germany feel that the UK should be able to sell the 200 units on its own.........."

Now that our friends and neighbours have seen my dad's G400 cabrio, they all want one too.... I'm certain that with a bit of publicity, MB UK could sell more than 200.

And there is the problem....

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The problem with MBUK is that they are a bunch of idiotic snobs... They cannot understand the G in as much as they despise Mercedes used as taxis all over Europe. I think that it is a tragic loss for the British public at large, who is buying those luxury Tatas* and thinking that they own an example of the pinnacle of off-road motoring

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in my opinion why did they put effort in with the gl, as nice as it is and that, wen all they had to do was re promote the g. its got the heritage that range rover owners think they are getting, they have 3 different platforms available and already more than capable sales abroad.

it wouldnt have competed with the ML due to the price difference, the same was as the gl doesnt compete, and would not have been such a sales flop. there is more heritage in an escalade than in a gl in my honest opinion.

Tom

p.s and if they were that bothered about 7 forward facing seats they could have surely adapted the g somehow

p.p.s it was called the worlds coolest car on top gear, the biggest advertising platform for cars ever, surely they should have jumped at the chance, was idiots!

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tclynes wrote:
in my opinion why did they put effort in with the gl, as nice as it is and that, wen all they had to do was re promote the g. its got the heritage that range rover owners think they are getting, they have 3 different platforms available and already more than capable sales abroad.

it wouldnt have competed with the ML due to the price difference, the same was as the gl doesnt compete, and would not have been such a sales flop. there is more heritage in an escalade than in a gl in my honest opinion.

Tom

p.s and if they were that bothered about 7 forward facing seats they could have surely adapted the g somehow

p.p.s it was called the worlds coolest car on top gear, the biggest advertising platform for cars ever, surely they should have jumped at the chance, was idiots!

OK so I agree with everything Tom has commented on, BUT while it would be nice if - as a marketing stunt or somthing they offered members First/only a limited run RHD, I do quite like the fact that it is rather unique. One of the reasons it is cool, is tha fact there are so few, I mean just look waht happened to BMW/AUDI - Audi when from cool to 'Cock' and BMW *gulp* has gone from 'Cock' to cool! - See last sundays edition.

Spider1V - Happy to be cool, would be happier is only a select few could get New G's....

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i agree with you there, but its a balance between getting a rhd g or not, so its either they sell out the brand or they keep it limited.

bugger