Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

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Hi All,
Has anyone replaced their Heater Fan Motor, if so is there any guidlines or persons/garage to who to go to! or can it be done by a DIY person?
Guidance Please
Lascelles

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

I haven't done mine but I have studied the workshop manual. It is involved and has the potential to take some time. Are you sure that the fan is at fault? Symptoms?

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Hi Roly,
When switching from O to 1 - sounds like fan is not running
1 to 2 - slight schreetching/rattling noise
3 - very noisy dry bearing noise
Dr Unimog when we viewed the vehicle stated he had heard it before on Unimogs Etc

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

That sounds rather bad. The motor is located at the bottom of the heater matrix which is behind the centre consol and at the bottom. The manual talks of removing the centre consol both the one on the dash and the one between the seats, removing the sides to the centre consol and getting to it from below.
The consol between the seats and the side bits are not too bad. Try that and see what you can see. Do you have a/c?

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Hi Roly,
Is there any instructions on how to remove the dash and consol's? & yes there is A/C. Is a manual available or the section detailing the removal?

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I've got a Workshop (WIS) manual which covers this, but I don't know how to copy sections of it to stick on here. You can buy copies on ebay for a fiver now, 2DVDs, these cover many aspects of the Gs. Otherwise there has been previous posts here about the centre consol removal in detail.

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If fan still blows in any speed then the fan is OK (well excepting the dry noisy bearing or the leaves) .. If it has lost a speed then it is the resistance pack that changes speed.. (this on a 460 is located in the fan housing so for a dirty terminal you end up having to pull fan motor pretty much!) Seems on the 463 they learnt .. and this is now mounted to the right of the air inlet box as you stand in front of car mounted to the bulkhead with 2 nuts on studs on diagonal .. guess would be 2"x1" size .. if you pulled this you could check it is getting switched 12 V from the dash selection switch and that each resistor is still OK with continuity meter (resistance is low .. about 0.5 Ohm range so it would beep with continuity meter). Resistor part number will be something like A 124 821 0? 60 and it has 5 pins from EPC (which is not always right on pictures). You should have one less resistor than speeds.. so 3 speed = 2 resistors = one common output and three inputs from control (think of a 3 legged star formation where 2 legs are resistors, 1 leg has no resistor (ie full speed) and the centre of the star is the common output and inputs all happen on the ends of the legs of the star.

Noisy bearings... hum.. could just be leaves/crud ... those fans are well burried and hard to see them drying out .. not sure you could even get to them with compressed air, vacuum hose or long flex rods :cry:

Here is some EPC from a 300TD 463 .. so an early one;

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Hi the rubber non return valve at the bottom of the air intake duct for the heater clogs with leaves which allows the duct to fill with water (either rain or washing) and the water floods the front bearing of the fan motor.the only way to lube the bearing without stripping the dash and the adjacent area is to run the front of the G up some fairly steep ramps. lay across the top of the engine and with an extended nozzle on an aerosol can of lubricant feel behind the fan for the shaft... move the nozzle back to where the shaft enters the body of the motor and spray a little lubricant on to the shaft and motor housing.... climb off and run the fan...repeat until the screech disappears..unblock the drain valve and vacuum the bottom of the intake box......if the fan blades do not rotate freely by hand the motor will load the speed resistors and ultimately burn them or the motor......

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Fixwin... your method works on 460 where fan is right there in the opening.. I originally was going to point to your previous post on this but then realised that this 463 with aircon has the fan buried as EPC shows .. so cannot get to fan to lubricate.. unless you soak the whole shooting match in about a gallon of oil... in which case it is bound to leak out somewhere!.. but a good draft of WD40 might get there if it does not explode first ;-)

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

I used to own a 123 series and the fan squealed. I would mess about lubing itbut it would only last a month and then be squealing again

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Roly wrote:
I used to own a 123 series and the fan squealed. I would mess about lubing itbut it would only last a month and then be squealing again

Thanks for input I will try this weekend to give it a squirt of silicon oil spray! to see if it helps, hopeful Bill

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I am a new member, so apols if this has already been covered. My (463) heater fan screeched a bit then stopped working. Was living without it, but then the main rad blocked, pressured up the system, and the heater matrix blew, producing an instant foggy sauna. Taking the dash out is fiddly but everything screws together well so just take your time. The motor is inboard of the fan so not directly in the plenum chamber, but it has open brush holders which in my case had basically worn down to nothing then overheated (was at around 120,000 miles and 14 years). The bearings are spherical bushes held in by spring strips and these make a screeching noise when the bearing sticks on the shaft and rotates in its holders. I bought a Kenlowe 6-inch fan (actually 7 inches) direct from Kenlowe for £75 inc VAT and PP. This fits as if made for the job, with only a little cutting away at the plastic housing required. It uses the existing resistive speed controller. It is designed to sit out in front of a radiator so should be OK in the damp.
The plenum chamber drain should not get leaves in it, as there is a grille above it, but mine had a collection of twigs etc. The drain is at the front offside corner of the plenum chamber accessible under the bonnet - centre of the bulkhead, and in future I'll poke a stick down there from time to time. The heater matrix was a straight replacement for £99 + VAT, and easy enough to slide in. Just lots and lots and lots of patience and don't panic when you see the birds nest of wiring behind the console! And remember to label the connectors or write down the byzantine MB labelling scheme...

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

I have a 1991 300 gel so an early 463. Where is the heater fan speed control resisitor located in this model. Can we get a part number? Even MB got confused which part is the right one.
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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

In my 463 (300GES petrol 1991) it is inside the fan housing right next to the fan. It's a small PCB about 5-6 cm square with some resistive wire and 4 x connectors - all different sizes so makes it easier to re-assemble correctly! It mounts on a couple of pillars build into the fan housing. I would say that it is very unlikely to be faulty however: the fan motor brushes are a definite weak point in the setup.

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Hi prymaka, have you got a part number or a picture at all. do you mean all the front dash etc have to come out for this job?
my fan is working fine on 3 and 4 but most likely resistor is faulty
here are some pix of what mb gave me with
part number0008219160

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

let me know if it looks like the right part?

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Re: Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

That photo is definitely of the correct item - I don't have a part number. The dash (part with the differential lock switches etc) has to come out to get at it. Plus the side pieces of trim.
Good luck - it's a very tricky job.
Mike

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Re: Heater Fan Motor in a 463

I was afraid of that. :(