Rear Benches, Seat belts?
Managed to get a pair of lwb rear benches (from the forum)
Do they just bolt on? Or do they require rubber fittings and metal plates etc?
Also do I need seat belts for it to pass an Mot?
Do I need to inform the DVLA/Insurance company to alter the paperwork to show 7/9 seats?
The bench seats should just bolt on through the webbed bracket protruding from the chassis.
Yes, you do need seatbelts for the MOT. If in doubt, just check with your local Testing station.
This would depend on what has been previously declared, does your log book show the number of seating capacity, if this does not confirm, it would be ssafer to declare the change.
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Hi If you mean the two folding seats in the load area that face inwards then you have to remove the side trim panels under the windows and there MUST be two six bolt doubler plates welded to the body shell frame if not you are into some major structural work since these plates are the hardpoints for the seats.I have pics of the shoulder harness seat belt installation on my sons 460 LWB. give me an E mail address and I wll send you some detail. seat belts are mandatory here in Northern Ireland rgds
I concour with fixwin38, I am sorry, I got the wrong seats.
The rear, facing seats, if are originals, should have an oblong bracket already fixed to them. You will need to offer the seats in the place, above the wheel arch, mark out the area around the oblong bracket.
Rather, than remove the whole of the side panel, just lift the bottom of the panel to have a peek at the screw holes, keeping a mental note of that, realign the seat and bore four holes per bracket to allow the round welded sleeve behind the bracket to for just right through the bores.
Taking long, M8 bolts attach to the brackets, do not over tighten these bolts. You will need to inform the insurance company and DVLA, before you do that you will also need a certificate of conformaty (I think), this can be got from your MOT tester after his inspection. Seat belts are not required legally.
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Thanks in advance, mate!
me and shakir looked into fitting seat belts to the rear bench seats and i remember looking at a website on this issue and there was something written about injury being greater when being seatbelted on these bench seats.
i will ask shakir to find this write up and post it.
me and shakir looked into fitting seat belts to the rear bench seats and i remember looking at a website on this issue and there was something written about injury being greater when being seatbelted on these bench seats.
i will ask shakir to find this write up and post it.
I am fairly certain its more dangerous to the point that in Canada they are illegal....
That would be great Huss!
Would prefer not to fit seat belts since occasional usage only, but don`t want to get caught out with a slap on the wrist or 3 points and agro?
Seat belts for the jump seats are not required, never been a legal requirement and can be very dangerous as well.
You can find out more from Land Rover Owner International magazine December 2006 issue 13 page 13.
Be safe
So how do you mark the panel to drill the holes to line up with the prewelded nuts?
Are some of these seats single and others double. If these double seats are retro fitted, is the MOT garage capable of certifying fitting to have it registered as a 9 seater? What is the paperwork required?
9 seats equals bus lane legal and no congestion charge...yes/ no?
The very first installation I did, I asked the same questions. I had to make up a template initially, with the side panel removed. With the panel refitted the hole markings were transfered onto the side panel and then a hole at a time, drilled to review at each stage the accuaracy of the holes.
Making the necessary adjustments drilling the next hole and so on. Some panel cutting will be necessary to fit the bracket home into the panel.
I do not think the MOT station has any authorithy to register the number of seats, but they can only certify conformity. It is is down to the owner, to declare to his insurance company the modification, supported by the Testers certificate, and a declaration to DVLA of the same. Exactly what the protocol with the DVLA is, I do not know. I would expect them to send any relevant paper work and questions to fill out.
Yes, you are right, one could have double or single seats at the back, that has no issues with me, it is down to the owner. Frankly, the matter has no relevance to me. (Please, do not read this wrong, I do not want to come across sounding offensive)
As regards to nine seats qualifying for excemption to the congestion charge, I think applies to Holland. If it applied here, there would be a lot more of the London driving population crying out for more 4X4's. I do not think Ken Livingston would ever let such an excemption let by.
Hi Indy G went and took a look at the seat mountings...no welding as the side panel strengthener plate is a standard fit ...However there are four 10mm anchor nuts with stiffener plates fitted in three places corresponding to the holes in the plates on the seat frame..these are pressed into place with the stiffener plate behind the integral strengthener plate.aircraft type anchor nuts mounted in an oval backing plate with a hole each side of the nut for rivetting would do (pop rivets could be used as they only hold the anchor nut in place.I will take some digi pics tomorrow and E Mail them to you..rgds
Yehp, these are the ones.
9 seats equals bus lane legal and no congestion charge...yes/ no?
I've done some more digging on this as it was a thought - but I think sadly not....
Who qualifies for a discount?
Drivers of public carriage vehicles and buses and coaches with nine or more seats which are licensed with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) as either in tax class ‘Bus’ or ‘Reduced Pollution Bus’ do not have to pay the Congestion Charge. We (TfL) will recognise the vehicle by its tax class and the owner of the vehicle does not need to register with us.
However, if vehicles with nine or more seats (including the driver’s seat) are registered with the DVLA in tax classes other than the above, or registered with the vehicle licensing agency in Northern Ireland, the owner of the vehicle will need to register with us to qualify for the 100%
discount from the Congestion Charge.
Examples of the types of vehicles that would qualify for this discount are work buses, community service buses and private hire mini buses.
and unfortunately neither will CC London recognise veggie oil conversions as alternate fuel vehicles.... but LPG is. Go figure.
Fixwin , can you post a pic of the fixing arrangements here too. Rear seats are my next project :idea:
Hi now have pics in adobe album and passed to Indy.G please send Email address and I will copy you rgds
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Cheers for that Rakesh!
It appears that I will need to make the hole`s since no seat`s had been fitted before.