anyone run heating oil?

just add some hydraulic fluid to lube the pump.............allegedly

Dyfed Powys plod also know that as well though…………allededly :D

I cannot fathom this one, why not just run on red diesel / 35sec heating oil instead of faffing around with parrifin.
the parrifin smell from the exhaust is a bigger giveway than the colurant in the diesel, unless there is some way of killing the smell that I am unaware of.
Ok the diesel will stain the fuel filter, I presume parrifin wont.
I once followed a brand new VX Amazon, approx £50,000 worth, pulled away from the road end in front of me, the smell of parrifin would have tumbled you.
Marcus

Just because you can afford to pay for the fuel doesn’t mean you have to like paying for it! something of a wild assumption actually!

I’ve heard (3rd hand of course) of a LR TD5 running 28sec heating oil mixed with about 1 litre of hydraulic fluid / tank for a number of years and 70K miles+. Strange in that I thought direct injection/common rail electronically controlled engines would not take too kindly to that sort of treatment.

Seriously though in my opinion it’s hardly worth the hassle / risk. Why not run it on veg oil? Do a search on this forum or google, loads of links. Apparently the 5 cylinder merc. engine is one of the most tolerant and the bosch pump one of the most robust (needed to cope with the thicker viscosities unless you go for a twin tank with heater set up. Declare this and pay the duty. How much veg. oil you actually use who’s to know?

You're welcome to drive on whatever you like, I'll just stay legal, but thats just me.

Ian,
You should blush, its cat litter one uses, its the least tracable way to get hold of "keiselgur" clay, that is what does the trick.
One finds "black sludge" dumped all over the place, its the resultant shit from the filtering.
The RAF were flying photo recon to find the commercial operators based on the presence of said sludge.
But it must be said that I continue to drive on the best "free state "diesel.
Cheers,
Marcus

@ marcus TRUE TRUE
:D i was in co kildare this morning and paid €1.10 per litre
and it was no cheaper the whole way up again to norn ireland
i even seen it @ €1.23 per litre coming through dublin on my way up again
@ ELVIS they are filtering both green and red derv via the cat litter system in massive quantitys and HM Customs and Excise seem to be closing them down rapidly
there is one or two raids and closures every few days
:P i have no problem with people using or buying cheaper fuelas i have done myself , but you find with most of this very cheap fuel there is a big chance of it causing major damage to your pump as these people are NOT washing the derv right
and as for 28sec heating oil , even with what was supposed to be the right amount of lub in it , it will still do a lot of damage to the pump over time
but the savings on fuel might outway the costs of damage to pump etc

i once had a renault 30td and i ran it on kero for some 14 or so months
i found it hard to switch off and then the pump went , then more trouble,i think it was valves etc caused by kero mix :oops:

You Stingy bugger Elvis!

I run my Dumper on Veg oil, how else can I afford 4 litres of fuel for a days work? LOL

Nat

Yes Ian the old in line pumps a la Mercedes would have tolerated poor quality fuel, acid/alkali however ?
The farming community learnt the hard way about that back 20 or 30 years ago , the silage acid additive came in superb quality 25l jars, which of cours properly washed were perfect for diesel. except when the green mist of silage making took over an odd discarded acid jar was filled up before being washed out.
The hot diesel acid mixture generally also removed the skin off the hands of the bugger bleeding the tractor as well.
Cheers,
Marcus

just fill it with red, then deny all knowledge and say your brother has been running around in it for the last few months and you have just got it back, and your brother, just moved to France, and used your truck to tow a traielr back and forth, works wonders.

BINGO
Mervyn,
I have been intregiued by the Americans single fuel policy for the battlefield, and that "single fuel" has to be avation kerosene, is it "oiler" than 28 sec pariffin ?, I could not figure how the diesel engined vehicles survived, long term anyway, while running on pariffin / kero. and I cannot imagine that they run jets or Helicoptors on diesel ?
So will any common rail engine run on avation kero ?
Marcus

Dear Marcus,

You are very welcome to our diesel down here, I am currently paying 1.01 euro per litre for the proper stuff.

However I do take grave exception to the words "free state" in relation to everything down here, as if you spent more time here you would quickly discover that apart from cheaper diesel (whatever colour) NOTHING ELSE is FREE in this STATE by a long shot. I wish.

Sincerely yours,

Mike

P.S. Happy christmas to you and yours.

Just a couple of points;

When I worked for a BMW main dealer we had a customer that insisted on running his 5 series TD (Distrubutor type M51) on red diesel. Knocked out two injection pumps in as many months. Both warranted by BMW!

I rekon if you insist on throwing in inferior fuel (don't know it's exact content) then you should watch out for a hefty repair bill?

I did hear of a blue dye that can be purchased from E*ay that will hide red colour from HM customs? Designed for tracing fuel theft!

IMO not really worth the risk or hasstle. The government will have our pants down whether it be on fuel duty or otherwise.
Pay yer tax, shut up and Boll*cks to your human rights!

Ok rant over...... Step off the orange box.

Regards
Peter

More likely to have been caused by Bio or SVO not pre-heated in winter.
Old mercedes:1; BMW:0
:lol:

when i worked at the local rail station 20 odd years ago
the white derv came in on the big tankers and our first phone call was made to c & e to come down and measure quanties of derv and they done a few sums to work out how many pelets /talbet type things to put in to colour the derv red
and when it was pump into the fuel tankers it was resealed and sent away again
we had the priveledge of taking what ever was in the hose
then it used to fill 2 renault 18,s up tp the neck
so then it was white derv just coloured with a dye tablet

I May have miss-lead you with my previous post??

Didn't mean all red stuff is 'inferior'.
Guessing that alot of people running red aren't getting it from legitimate sources?
I have heard of people filling up out of rusty old 205litre drums etc etc.
If diesel comes in a tanker or out of a forecourt pump it must comply with British Standards?

I agree that red must be similar to white, just dyed to prove it's origin.

Regards
Peter

It's only the dye and a richer sulphur, red is better for your motor. We know the tricks eh Chris?

kitty litter takes the dye out, but not all of it, the organizied gangs the finish it off filtered with acid to turn it white but IT will bugger your pump up.

Hi

just to clear some of the myths,

DERV as found at the garage pumps is to "BS EN590" and has a cetane number rating of >CN51 to

Hi

marine gas oil is normally used in canal boats up to “fishing trailers”, once you get above this you start getting into the realms of “bunker fuels” >No2, also it would normally be used ware you don’t need raw power often, so things like lifeboats would use normal rebated gas oil (CN46) simply as they by design/use would be running at a higher RPM and would be in a higher state of tuning to attain HP output.

City Gas Oil is still a limited market vs. DERV & CN46 Gas Oil but it has the benefit that you could put it in e.g. 2000cc diesel car engine and not have to make timing modifications like you would have to with normal Gas Oil also it is used in things like smaller forklift that will be in & out of large well ventilated building due the fact that it has less smoke and particulates.

If I take my Unimog tractor and run on gas oil (CN46) I lose about 5% of the power & get more smoke, if I run on DERV (>CN51) I get full power and no smoke & the same is true of City Gas Oil (>CN51) this is also why some 30 series JD tractors (euro 3) have problems & require fuel additives to run correctly on Gas Oil (CN46) as JD specify fuel to BS EN590 (>CN51) simply because in most of the EU red is not used and DERV is rebated dependent on USE, so in my view this is a failing by JD in not placing the correct software in there ECU’s to cope with Gas Oil (CN46) with regards to tractors specifically for the UK/ROI ware Gas Oil (CN46) is the predominant agri fuel, I suspect this is because of the CE marking requirement for imported EU tractors, the stupid thing is red & DERV in the USA is CN44 to CN49 witch obviously needs different ECU mappings to the EU apart from the UK/ROI (Gas Oil (CN46)) & the other irony is that Claas tractors use DPS (Deere power system) engines witch are the same units as in some of the 30 series JD tractors yet Claas use there own ECU mapping and have no problems just like all the rest of the manufactures with euro3 common rail units, so its mainly just a JD thing.

As far as I know unless you specifically order Low Sulphur Gas Oil (City Gas Oil) to BS EN590 you will get normal 35 sec Gas Oil, though the former is 2p to 6p more per 1L than the latter.

Hi 35sec gas oil (heating oil) with a minimal lubricant additive will provide good engine performance on engines that have "inline injector pumps" at no detriment to the life of the pump..for airport equipment we recommend 50% Jet A1 in the winter to avoid non-starts caused by red diesel waxing at -8c.....rotary pumps can be severely damaged by"hybrid" fuel concoctions.....acids used to remove the red marker from rebated diesel being a prime culprit