Finaly
Finaly questions are being asked about the suitability of the Landrover in the Afghan and Iraq conflicts.
I wonder what will replace them, if youve got a Daimler Ferret it could suddenly become valuble.
enlighten me mr moss
Yes let us know more....
This is what the french use:
They were on manouvers in dec last yr and parked on my drive hunting Germans believe it or not I woke up to find 6 tanks on the front that morning but they would nt allow me photos this guy was much nicer :shock:
If I am not mistaken there is a Panhard under that skirt.
Un Hummer francais.Non? :D
Bill isn't tat first one a ferret from 2nd WW? I'm sure we used those as targets in the late eighties for SA 90mm canon mounted on 6x6 armoured car, the Ratel.
I rather suspect that I am the only inhabitant of planet earth who owns both a G-Wagen (two actually) and a Daimler Ferret. The Ferret is a pig o drive since not only is its steering wheel upside down, but the steering is ludicrously heavy. But it is fun nonetheless. I also, by the way, have am Abbot self-propelled gun. With its automatic transmission its a lot of fun to drive...
The following provide further info...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5118114.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5121546.stm
The ferret must have been an amazing piece of kit in its day. We towed one out one day to blow up when the driver in the ferret managed to start it, probably after a long running start. That car stood outside in the dessert sun for more than 30 years, and ran on that old petrol.
Why is that guy not in uniform? Is he an irregular?
Am I giving my age away?,
I recall "commanding" a ferret during Exercise Lionheart, ( with the TA I hasten to add ) and since the intercom did not work I had the ears damm near kicked off the driver whilst attempting to communicate with foot signals, this whilst driving on the wrong side of the public road in Denmark.
Happy days,
Marcus
The following provide further info...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5118114.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5121546.stm
Reading that second link makes you feel like there is only one possibility open to the MOD.... :lol: .
:D Exercise Lionheart thats a blast from the past , just joined a rifle company , digging in waiting for the vangard of the third shock army to rock into town...
ahh happy days ...
Max , I agree the production line for tested armoured Gs is up and running , they are the right size the operations at the moment .
but the the politians will say no UK jobs will be made ...b****s
Give the lads the tools thay need to do the job . end of story.
Right im going out to diggin to "stage three" by first light , you never know :D
Twodogs
Bill isn't tat first one a ferret from 2nd WW? I'm sure we used those as targets in the late eighties for SA 90mm canon mounted on 6x6 armoured car, the Ratel.
Ferretwas way after WW2 and so was I :D
Sad to say that if it isn't a "state of the art MBT",and it has wheels on,there aint much that can stop "modern" RPG type weapons! the types of armoured "B" vehicles used by the Brits,were designed for use in an urban environment,where there were restricted fire corridors,so you knew where the most likely firing points were, when your out in the middle of nowhere,with numerous options for firing points,i'ts open season on anything that moves.
These "kiddies" aren't stupid,remember before they got Stinger,they perfected the technique of getting up above MIL 24s,and shooting down through the rotors,to bring them down,pretty neat trick.
This conflict requires a lot more thought,than this government is prepared to give,and no matter what they come up with you can bet someone else's life,that they will not spend more than is neccesary to ease their political minds.
You're right about,it having to be a British company,look how much the Apache cost just because they wanted to save jobs at Westland!
PS. Sorry about the rant,but as any ex serviceman will tell you,socialist governments don't give a rats about the Armed Forces,period.
:D so true,so true
Twodogs
It is unlikley to change, we have no polaticians now who have served in the Armed Forces or fought in a war, They are mostly lawyers. with the exception of one who served on a cross channel ferry, that is served gin and tonics.
These "kiddies" aren't stupid,remember before they got Stinger,they perfected the technique of getting up above MIL 24s,and shooting down through the rotors,to bring them down,pretty neat trick.
Off topic - but how do you get about a MIL 24 except in another helicopter or airplane? I would guess mountains but then you'repretty limited.
Would the trick not work shooting up through the rotors?
Jacey wrote:These "kiddies" aren't stupid,remember before they got Stinger,they perfected the technique of getting up above MIL 24s,and shooting down through the rotors,to bring them down,pretty neat trick.
Off topic - but how do you get about a MIL 24 except in another helicopter or airplane? I would guess mountains but then you'repretty limited.
Would the trick not work shooting up through the rotors?
Afghanistan is notoriously mountainous. A falling projectile has a greater range.
You create a "come on" situation,up in the high passes(during the summer",the Hind turns up and,because of the thin air(elevation and heat),it has to fly below the the sides of the passes,forget about the heat shields on the exhausts,you just shoot down through the rotor arc with anything heavy,aiming for the rotor gearbox. Double whammy,rotor and gearbox in one go,big browny/greeny thing with no fan falls out of sky end of story.
There is one recorded incident,where they threw a Russian tow rope,down into the rotors of a Mil 24,and brought it down,simple ideas are the best,especially when the other side provides the wherewithall.
You create a "come on" situation,up in the high passes(during the summer",the Hind turns up and,because of the thin air(elevation and heat),it has to fly below the the sides of the passes,forget about the heat shields on the exhausts,you just shoot down through the rotor arc with anything heavy,aiming for the rotor gearbox. Double whammy,rotor and gearbox in one go,big browny/greeny thing with no fan falls out of sky end of story.
There is one recorded incident,where they threw a Russian tow rope,down into the rotors of a Mil 24,and brought it down,simple ideas are the best,especially when the other side provides the wherewithall.
Ah right - I was thinking about using weapons to bring it down - not simple objects! That is clever.
Back to the main thread............
The beauty of democracy is that everybody is perfectly entitled to have their say, even when their views are based on naivety, ignorance and/or stupidity. Unfortunately, the subject matter is extremely sensitive, both militarily and politically, so anybody who might actually know what is going on in this field, can't, or at least shouldn't, chime in with the current thinking in public.
There clearly are one or two members here who can put two and two together, so, bearing in mind this forum is read all over the world, I suggest the subject matter be closed before somebody inadvertently comes out with a snippet of information that could compromise our troops.
I am sorry if you deem this to be rude or melodramatic, but I figure enough damage has already been done with the adverse press coverage of the snatch LR's apparent failings. Various suggested alternatives can only be second-guessing the MoD and is probably not helpful. :?
As you say,everyone's thoughts on the current situation are entirely subjective,sadly everything that has been discussed on this forum regarding the shortcomings of said vehicle,are in the public domain,and have been for a lot longer than the current British deployment,in Afghanistan.
As for second guessing the MOD,that would suggest that there are people in Defence Procurement,who actually know what it is like to be deployed in to a combat zone (sorry I meant peace keeping role),and realise what it is like to rely on rubbish equipment!
If members of this forum really want to know how good the MOD and,Def Proc are at protecting our servicemen,and spending your taxes,try "Lions Donkeys and Dinosaurs" by a chap called Lewis Page,it will open your eyes,the Lion in question is the serviceman,you'll have to read the book to find out about the other two!
Sensative subject, so all those who want to continue it go to the British Army Rumour servive, or www.arrse.co.uk
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