bodylift spacers and coil spring spacers

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hus55
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hi there. just to give some info on some fabrications i had made out here.

2" poly ,  bodylift spacers inc bolts[complete set of 8 bolts and 8 spacers ]. 115 stg

2" poly spring spacers. these are top qaulity. 275 stg for a complete set of 4.

i can find out and arrange postage to a uk address from south cyprus. this is not a money making business for me , but purely a way of helping fellow gwoa members make their G's more useable off road without affecting the ride quality.

rgds hus

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 I'd like to know, as I might be a g owner again .

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 Forget the 280, come and get mine, I will let it go to someone who will actually use it.

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 diese, urgh devils fuel.

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secure the G pp, and i will do you good deal on the kit mate. promise !

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I've tried to call them a number of times but never got any replies so am none the wiser I'm afraid. if you ever do use thm, I'd be interested to see how you got on

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How high can you lift with spring spacers before it starts to effect the Camber?
Is 2inch still safe?

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Hello Jurgen,

Lifting the body will not affect the steering geometry, so the chamber will not be affected.  Height adjustment at the coil springs in conventional vehicles will affect steering geometry, but in the case of the G-Wagen axle, the steering geometry is fixed and predetermined by the hub its self.  There is only one angle that could change, which is connected to the KPI (King pin inclination).  Changing the width of the wheel will do that.

The KPI angle does not alter but, as I forget what the technical term for the angle is called;  the point,  I refer to is, at KPI line projected down and the center line of the wheel projected down to the ground.  The point at which these two lines meet at the ground or the theoretical point below the ground; it is that, which changes.  The change of angle at this point, affects the feed back 'feel' you get at the steering wheel.

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Thanks for the info!...

I want to fit 33 or 35 inch tires in order to bring down the revs obtained by the 5.33 diffs that my G's got in.
Originally a 240GD now fitted with a 3.o Ford V6 I run out of revs before I get to 100km/h...:)

I want to restore the G back to a more original "all merc" state at some stage, but it won't matter what motor I fit , as long as I have the 5.33 diffs I will always have a problem with high revs.

Any suggestions on how to bring down the revs? (exchanging the Crown Wheel and pinion for a lower ratio is probably the only other option...)

Jurgen

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Hello Jurgen,

I am working on your question.  It is a bit more than my technical abilities, hence, I was only a mechanic and not an engineer. 

I did request the help of a Professor from the local University but he says he can not help but has emailed to the rest of the staff or undergraduate to see if they will assist; no takers at the present.

I have not fully researched this problem, but I would say, the 5.33 ratio diff you have currently are probably the highest ratio diff you can get on the G-Wagen; so your option is playing with the tyres and then gearbox.

Like, I say, I am still research this for you, but can not offer any remedy as yet.

Can you state, what the engine revs at, in top gear at the following speeds, 30 mph, 50 mph and whatever 100 kmh is, I think around 60 mph or slightly under?

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Well at 70km/h (43,2mph) the motor according to the rev counter does just below 3000rpm.

At 100km/h (62mph) I'm clocking above 3500rpm...

The V6 quite happily runs up to and above 5000rpm, when required....But I would not do this for any long periods of time.

According to an online calculator the revs should drop by approximately 300 to 400rpm if I upgrade my current worn out set of 31" to a set of 33", 35"s would even make a bigger difference.

But... there is always a but...

One will loose some torque with the bigger wheels....3.5% per inch according to Harald's site:
http://www.4x4abc.com/G/35.html

So the next motor of choise should then be stronger / have more torque available as the V6 currently fitted, at the least...:-)

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 You can fit a gearbox with over drive, or you can change the axle ratio. either by changing the crown wheel and pinion, or changing the whole axles. The most common next ratio is 1/4.857, found on many G's, like the 460 300GD.

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Thanks for all the info guys.
According to the rev calculator the effect on the revs should be the same i.e. changing the tire size vs changing the CW&P to 4.8...
Would the change in the crown wheel and pinion also have the same effect on the torque?

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 yes it would, because it's the final drive, any higher gearing here, ie tires or diff ratio, will reduce torque capability at the bottom of the tire. I don't think you'd notice it though with a V6 or OM606 compared to the 240.

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Although not a great lover of excessive body lift kits I will just mention how pleased I am with a 15mm lift on a project 460 swb.
Just machined up some 65mm nylon washers,put the g on the lift with arms under body,out with the air gun and 1 hour later ' job done',15mmm lift ,original bolts used.

Am very pleased if only for service reasons,access to pipe run to rear and much better for power washing rear spring/shock mtgs.Visually looks sharp with out being o t t when parked next to other G's

Tyres and gearing....another old forum chestnut !! The only way to bring revs down is to use 235x85 .16 tyres [ these are widely availble - was oe disco fitment ] Fitting these will put your speedo out but will cut c.400 rpm off at 80mph - checked by Tom Tom !

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Thanks Guys, the car drives fine in and around town, as well as off road.

The problem I have is when driving for longer distances, at present the car's fuel economy..or lack thereof...makes it just too expensive to do any kind of longer trip in.

Unfortunately we have to cover some distance to get to any sort of "out of the way" place here in Gauteng South Africa...

Bringing the revs down would certainly improve fuel economy - on the longer trips at least... I'm already spoilt with the power of the V6.

I currently have a set of 235/85's on the car, so the next option would probably be 255/85 or 265/85. I don't know what the availability of these bigger sizes are. And the current 5.5J steel rims also limit me width wise...

Maybe I should just keep this G as a toy, and buy a LWB for longer overlanding trips...:)

I just spoke to my local Tire dealer...and according to him I would struggle to find a larger tyre .... so it's back to the hunt for a set of front and rear CW&P's with a lower gearing than currently in the car.

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 I put 6:17 gears in my 280ge so if your interested I would swap you my 4.88 gears for your 5.33's or sell them to you outright. They would ship from Canada.

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Hi hus55,

I live in Cyprus and am interested on the product. I want to see the staff. Pls call 96471149.

evangelos

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hi there.

sorry but i sold the parts long ago...

 

rgds hus