Alternative rear door seal
Just before I spent the thick end of £230 on a new rear door (single door) seal, has anyone had anly luck with any alternatives?
Obviously the main problem finding anything else is the square corners and profile, but I thought it was worth asking as its a big old chunk of cash for a bit of rubber!
You could try this company...find a similar section , mitre the corners and bond it with PU
http://www.sealsdirect.co.uk/shopping.asp?intDepartmentId=68
Steve
Hi Ben
What you come up with? A463 740 02 78?
£192 + VAT
Can do you one for £163.20 + vat
Looks like all 460 and 463's with single door are the same if you can find a breaker
Gav
Like Steve has listed, there are a few companies out there that make seals bespoke and also have stock profiles aimed at the classic market.
From the MB range only the Sprinter Side Load Door is anything like that i can think of, however it will be bigger in all dimensions and you would have to cut and join all four sides at some point?
Not sure but it may also have rounded corners
They are only £40 odd though!!!
If you have EPC and search chassis type 903 663 and group 73 picture 80 item 11 it shows the profile section also
Might be a none starter....
Gav
Thankas Gav, MB Hindhead have come up with A4607400778 (the russian EPC shows A4607400578) but I think they are all the same as you say.
I've got someone who might have a used one, otherwise I'll take you up on that.
On another note (and at risk of abusing your good nature!) - I'm trying to track down a couple of shell parts which Hindhead MB say don't exist.
They are 'Stiffenings' - pressed steel panels above the wheel arches L&R
LEFT A4606300919
RIGHT A4606301019
EPC picture attached (26)
Go look at 461 parts .. they list more of the panels than 460 .. at least that is what I read somewhere..
I did take a quick look at the time (280 CDI for example) and you are right there is much more available, though those particular parts are different between the 461/3 and 460 shell. Whether the difference is small and could be re-fab'd or not it difficult to say.
I suppose that given I only have a small amount of corrosion on one of the seams on that part it would be easier to simply re-fab if I can't just do a like-for-like swap.
Hi Ben
Where did the part number come from?
A460 630 09 19 and A460 630 10 19 are for the 460 series SWB Panel Van
You need
A460 630 07 19 and A460 630 08 19 for a SWB Station Wagon
The LWB Station Wagon are
A460 630 11 19 and A460 630 12 19
I will check on price and availability and come back to you later
Gav
As for the door seals, thats even worse....
A460 740 07 78 is the Left hand seal for the Twin Rear Doors!!! It does not even fit your serial number!!!!! Shocking
You are correct with A460 740 05 78, that is the number listed on the 460 EPC, MB Germany however superceed it to the later 463 type A463 740 02 78 which i quoted on
Gav
LOL... Maybe I should order it to teach them a lesson :D
I actually feel rather sorry for the guy there in truth.. they aren't doing very well and had to fire their long-service parts guy and the chap who is doing it now has been pulled across from service booking and back office. I'm not sure he knows his way aorund the EPC very well as evidenced by the fact that he's already managed to order a wrong inner wing, a radiator expansion tank (which the 300GD doesn't even use), some ridiculous quantity of bulbs, fasteners, hard powersteering line and other bits where he hasn't understood the minimum quantity bit!
I always try to support local businesses but at this rate! I'll make sure that when it comes to bigger bill stuff later in the year (sumps etc), you'll be on speed dial!
LOL
Its good to support your local i agree, but frustrating if you are stuck VOR for a mistake, but ....
Strange on the panels, my MB Germany link is playing up at home so i am relying on email contact with my night shift guys for price and availability this week.
LEFT A460 630 07 19 £141 + vat MB Germany have 13 only
RIGHT A460 630 08 19 £NLA CODE 01 Please make it yourself or repair the old one!!!!
I guess in this country its the Left that gets all the dirt and road abuse? So maybe its only a left you need and your lucky?
If you need more info i can check out all options next week, like LWB , can you just shorten it etc and see what is available
Gav
Hmm.. I'm using the Russian UPC at neoriginal.ru
Iget to it by:
Selecting to my model - 460.322 and choose Cab and then 'Side Panels'
www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/subgroup__2_1_342_460_523_A/63___350_460_322
I then choose 'rear fender'
www.neoriginal.ru/cat/mb/part__2_1_342_460_523_/63_045_460_322_523
And took the part numbers listed.
The curious thing is that my Truck actually is a panel van (no rear windows) and stripped interiour, but I had always believed that it was originally supplied as a regular 'Station Wagon'. I was actually given a full set of rear seats when I bought it (I wanted it as a van so it suited me fine as it was)
So maybe the Russian site is unreliable? Its always found other things for me OK, but it obviously disagrees with what the online EPC says.
Curiouser and curiouser.
What do you make of it?
Hi
OK
So a 460.322 is a panel van SWB 300GD
Your chassis number is a 460.332 which is a station wagon SWB 300GD
Strange that it should have been converted? Has it full steel panel or just steel inserts sat in the rubbers where the glass should be?
If it has steel panels then can you see any evidence on the inside that they have been welded into the old window apertures?
If it has proper steel panel van sides, then there is a chance obviously that the parts your worked out originally may be correct, but you have no way of knowing what parts were added and what was used from the station wagon!!!
In all honesty i cant see how much difference there will be between all of them and i am quite confident that with small modification you could make either fit either if that makes sense
But your definiatly left Graz as a Station Wagon!!!
Does the Russian site not let you enter the full chassis number and call up the data card?
Maybe i will have a play.....
Cheers
Gav
Hmmm.. OK my stupidity transposing numbers .. 322, 332
Funny coincidence that the 322 is a panel van, though I hadn't spotted that in any case.
It obviously wasn't supplied that way though as it is just a pair of aluminium panels sat in the original window rubbers (and in fact it is that the LHS rear of one that leaks slightly that has caused the corrosion in the 'stiffening panel'.
In general it seems that the seals are a weakness on these vehicles. I might do a bit of investigation on this -whether its front window frame rot or elsewhere they do seem prone to letting water through (or worse, retaining between the rubber and frame). I guess that there is a perscriptive fix for this (silicon or other sealant when the windows are fitted perhaps?).
*Edit* - A quick search and I remembered I had seen a piece on this on P3 - 3M 08509 sealant seems to be what people have used. Anyone here tried it?
Not such a suprise.....
322 = 3-Diesel, 2-Panel Van, 2-2400mm SWB
332 = 3-Diesel, 3-Station Wagon, 2-2400mm SWB
Simples.....
LOL, yup it was that kind of mistake that took out Arianne 5 a few years back!
PM inbound shortly in any case.
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Thanks for that, I'll take a look :-)