w460 without front prop.
So I've read the article on pointed three star about keeping the box in SA due to the oil issue. I've no idea if this has been running without the prop and in 2WD.
Can I check for damage or will I only find out when I replace to prop and use the low gear. Anyone with experience of this, I'd like to avoid a big bill if poss!
Sure if you venture underneath and see if any play on front propshaft output on the transfer box, presume would be leaking oil if trashed? How many miles /km did you do?
Prop Shafts on that 280GE LWB Manual 4 speed...
Gearbox to Transfer Case A460 410 36 04 - 336mm
Transfer Case to Rear Axle A460 410 50 04 - 1064mm
Transfer Case to Front Axle A460 410 43 04 - 936mm
All 100mm - 8 bolt flanges with A319 990 06 01 M8x22mm Fine thread Bolts and N910113 008007 M8 Nuts
Gav
Hi, where in south France are you? I live in Girona not far over the border in Spain, I have many many parts and have been around these 4x4s quite a while, so if you need some help get in touch. Cheers Scott
Thanks for the info Gav, I'm about to order the 936 front prop, I've found a reconditioned and rebalanced one for £325 seems a reasonable price?. I guess it'll be Mercedes for the nuts and bolts.
I'm near Cannes Scott so quite a way from Girona :-(
Tony
Good news..
Well over £1k from MB
Bolts and Nuts are not expensive from MB
Better with the correct ones from experience
Gav
The nuts and bolts are special. Fine thread pitch, small hex heads and "clinched" self locking nuts. Takes some time to do them up as you can only get about a flat at a time.. so yes you need MB parts... and recheck the alignment as I had a recon prop.. someone had "aligned" the prop UJ and so I still must replace it some day.. horrible vibration.
Just unbolt the shaft from the diff, pull it out of the splines and realign it yourself, balance may be out but it will be better than it was being out of phase. There's an arrow on the uj (fixed u), that should point to the grease nipple for the spline section on the main shaft.(and/or a corresponding arrow). A lot of shaft 'experts' will say the shaft is incorrectly aligned as normally they are set with ujs pointing directly at each other ie 0deg, not the case on a g front prop shaft!!! LWB rear shafts also phased!!!
Is this the same for intermediate prop? Any chance of an illustrated picture?
No, gearbox to transfer case is 0 deg, or 'normal'.
By normal do you mean grease nipples opposite each other? Parallel? Other props should grease nipples be 180 degrees out? Or have I misunderstood?
Simon,
Has your G always had vibration? Presume no nasty clunks from worn universal joints.? I get a similar vibration through my transfer box lever , don't think I could use it as a blender tho, most noticeable when engine working hard in 2nd gear uphill, ok at speed but a feeling of roughness, both props done but maybe not to original standards? Can't find play on intermediate prop but can fee a clunk if heavy with clutch, frustrating!
Transfer box lever vibrates with revs ..or road speed?? Mine vibrated for years but then oil started leaking from one of the output shafts on the transfer box so changed bearing / oil seals and now ever so smooth! If it really vibrates with revs I would suspect the exhaust routing or gearbox mounting transferring vibration. Also had droning at c50mph, once it was a flat-spotted MT (very easy to lock them up on-road under braking) and another time failing wheel bearing.
Hi
Yes, the grease nipples would normally be in a line, but to be correct the arrows should line up. In the absence of arrows which I have seen, there would be one arrow on the UJ which should point to the grease nipple on the shaft.
See image for 0 deg phasing.
Hi, thanks for picture not seen that before, think as far as memory serves me. All as per picture but will check asap
Hi Jason
Just remember though that the front prop IS NOT as in the picture, if I remember correctly, it's set at 70 deg, with arrows pointing at each other and/or nipples lined up.
Thanks Arnie
So you can see on page 5 that the second to last photo shows the arrow on the UJ, and the last photo (page 5) shows the arrow pointing at the grease nipple, there may also be an arrow stamped there forward of the nipple, but not always. Hope this is helping some!
Just looked at page 7, you can see the stamped arrow as well.
I'm about to put the replacement transfer box to front axle prop shaft on. Can't tell from the images I've seen whether the slip sleeve goes at the transfer case end or the axle end, can anyone help with a quick look underneath?
Thanks
Stumbled on these buried in my laptop whilst looking for other G stuff...
God only knows what would find if i actually looked, next time i have a spare month i might try and index it!
Hopefully of some use to somebody...
Attached is for the 460 series chassis types 460.2 (Petrol) and 460.3 (Diesel)
I also found the 461 / 463 series for 230GE 290GD 300GE 300GD but the 4.9mb file exceeds the 1mb limit
Should email OK though if anybody needs it, PM me...
Gav
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I've only done 10 miles or so in it, but the history is unknown :-( All looks good underneath and very solid, minimal play if any so I guess its fingers crossed