Tracking LWB 18" wheels

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Hi, I plan to have the tracking done this week, can anyone confirm the correct toe in or toe out? Thanks TC
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Re: Tracking LWB 18" wheels

if i recall correctly, I think the toe-in angle is zero.But perhaps someone else should confirm this.

There are some very advanced alignment measuring machines out there, where the wheels are only fitted with a target and then the car is driven/pushed slowly in front of a turret with a laser and it then works out everything. I think the ones where both  the targets and the lasers and clamped to the tyres may not be so accurate.

 

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Thanks again Arnie, I had the tracking checked today and all is good, now I have the steering wheel not centrally aligned while driving, back there to tomorrow. Mind you, tyre wear is perfect but, are G's problematic when fixing tracking to get steering wheel alignment with such large tyres ? TC
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The steering always rquires some right-hand input when driving on UK roads as the road camber tends to pull to the left.

however, if your steering wheel is actually out of alignmet compared to the direction the wheels are pointing then perhaps the tracking may not be where it should be adjusted.

  1. there is splined fit between steering wheel and steering column. Perhaps the steering wheel was removed at some point for access to the instrument binnacle and not put back on straight
  2. there are another set of splined connections between the steering column and the collapsible section in the engine bay and again, between that an the steering box.

Any of those would be the best place to alter the set-up.

If you have a newer vehicle, with ESP, you will may need to recalibrate the steering wheel angle sensor, if you alter any of the steering shafts (No. 2, above) or the the track rods. Momentarily disconnect the battery and then after reconnecting the battery start the engine and  turn the steering wheel from lock to lock, when the ESP light should go out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Tracking LWB 18" wheels

Taking off the steering wheel and re-centering might put the self cancelling indicators out of kilter. Been there - done that... It can be really annoying...

If your indicators are cancelling correctly, I'd suggest not to remove and re-center the steering wheel.

Is there not an adjustment to re-centre the steering wheel under the front of the vehicle? There is on my 460, but no idea if this was carried forward to later models...

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Well, Yes, there is usually a small mark on the end of the steering column spline to indicate straight-ahead, with respect to the indicator mechanism. The steering wheel should be aligned to that; usually its only a matter of +/- one spline tooth.

In fact the track rod only adjusts the amount of toe. The end of the steering rod, from the steering-box arm to the axle swivel-joint arm, is where some adjustment can be made.

 

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Thanks, I was fortunate to be able to watch the lads do the tracking yesterday and now having had time to digest the above and a few historical posts, I'm a bit concerned that they did not really understand this G vehicle. All I saw was them adjusting the bar In front of the axle and not the track rod at the rear of the axle. This adjustment has moved the steering wheel from being in a wrong position (too much clockwise) to being in new different wrong position ( too much anticlockwise). I'm fairly confident the tracking is okay and is at 0 degrees, since the tyres have always worn perfect. So, can I conclude that the adjustment on the bar in front of the axle connected to the steering box, is only to centre the steering wheel. And the track rod at the rear of the front axle is for tracking adjustment only. If this is correct then I can see what they have done by only adjusting the front bar in an attempt to centre the wheel and have in fact, gone too far with adjusting it.
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Your understanding is correct.

The rear rod connects the left and right wheels together and determines the toe angle. These rods are so massive, that unless you've had a major bump or their ball-joints are worn, they don't normally require adjustment.

The front rod connects either the left (RHD) or right (LHD) wheel to the steering arm of the steering box. You can adjust this one to a small extent to centre the steering wheel. Again, I have never had to adjust this one, which is why i was thinking that if your steering wheel is not straight, either someone has had a previous go at 'tracking' or the other most likely cause is that the steering wheel has been removed for access to the dash, which is quite common.

Picture shows rear, steering rod,

Front steering rod is not shown, but axle-locating rod is shown.

 

 

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Hi Arnie, mine is LHD and has spent most of its life in Germany - so I guess that your comment on the road camber is relevant for the german roads and it would therefore answer why my G may have been tweaked slightly to counter this LHD road camber and I have only recent given it some attention. Thanks again. I know what needs to be done now. Great picture - do you have any others for reference ?
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Yes, mine was also LHD from Germany, and pulls a little to the left in the UK, but as I often go over to the continent with it, I decided to leave it alone, as on French motorways, it tracks dead straight.

 

Picture was just from the internet: search 'G-Wagen axle'

you might like this: http://fourbyfourclub.com/Manuals/W463249Axels.pdf

 

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That's corrected everything now. Fairly simple job actually as follows. 1. Ensure that all tyres are set to the correct pressure. 2. Visit a garage to get the tracking set at 0 ( zero degrees) + 2 ( minutes positive track). 3. If when you drive, the steering wheel in not central, then do as follows :- You will only need a 36mm open end spanner. At the front of the front axle, there is the long & straight Drag Link bar that attaches at one end to the steering box Pitman arm and the other end to the opposing front wheel. This has 2 x 36mm lock nuts at either end, loosen both ( 1 is right hand thread and 1 is left hand thread), wind them off 2-3 turns. This allows you to turn the Drag Link, one way will shorten the drag link and the other will lengthen the drag link. At this stage, it is important to point out that adjusting this Drag Link will not affect the wheel tracking in any way, it only allows you to centralise the steering wheel. Once you have figured out which way to turn the Drag Link to correct the steering wheel position, ensure you lock the 2 x 36mm lock inputs to the correct specified torque setting. You will notice that the drag Link ends have 4 radial notches to allow you to gauge rotation in 1/4 increments. My own settings required to shorten the Drag link by 1/2 a turn, I then locked and torqued the nuts up, took it for a test drive and then readjusted by a 1/4 turn back to finely position the steering wheel to dead centre. Ensure you torque both lock nuts to the correct settings, then double check again that the nuts are correctly seated and correctly torqued. (important !!! - this is your steering ensure it is correctly locked and torqued). Job done. TC
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You've missed one vital step, The steering wheel has to be centred on the column to get the indicators to cancel. but the steering column has to be centred on the steering box so that you have to have the same number of turns of the steering wheel turning left and right

Gordon

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That's correct Gordon, I dont encourage removing the steering wheel and all the critical points you validly raise, that would require more ability than I would advise to the average self helper. Best left to more knowledgeable experts such as yourself, but if someone simply wishes to align the steering wheel a bit, there's no need to remove the steering wheel, unless it's been off for some work. Do you have many steering / tracking issues that need this kind of adjustment ? Just curious as to why mine needed adjusting, it's a much cared for late 2007 model, certainly nothing is bent. Any thoughts ? Cheers TC