SPARE WHEEL IDEA POSSIBLE OR NOT ?

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    I WAS THINKING COULD I USE THE PUR WALK ON HOOD MOUNT A SPARE WHEEL

    CARRIER FROM THE BACK DOOR ON IT AND PLONK ON A HUTCHINSON WHEEL  ?

     I HOPE I CAN WILL LOOK COOL  devil

 

                 ADRIAN

     

     

     

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Too heavy you will crack up the bulkhead bonnet mounts and the slam panel assembly , not to mention lifting it all will be akin to a feat of herculean strength . If it happened to drop it would be lethal and the gas struts would need reinforcement at their mounting points as well as massively upgraded struts to lift the combined weight of bonnet and huchy. It would of course look very cool so... Ignore all of the above.
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    makes you wonder how British / Leyland now the Indian car company

    got around these problems ?

     but then i have never seen a land rover bonnet with wheel on

     that is not wobble  rattle and  shake ect ect  ect

​      dam mike you have pissed on my fire 

             Adrian angry

   ps

        open to ideas how to make a German guillotine  safe (ish)

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Land rover wheels just do not weigh anything like as much as a huchy. The walk on bonnet is heavy on its own , bolt a spare wheel carrier and some bracing and then a hugely heavy wheel tyre combination and you have a problem of supporting all that weight and lifting the bonnet and supporting it when it is up.
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   I HAVE SENT EMAIL TO THE BOFFINS IN (GRAZ)

    JUST INCASE THEY HAVE ANY SECRET PARTS

     FOR THIS JOB

     IN THERE EXPEDITION vehicles​ DEPARTMENT

     SO I CAN UPGRADE 

       KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED

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Re: SPARE WHEEL IDEA POSSIBLE OR NOT ?
  • Martin.Zach@S-Tec.at
  • Hello
  • Idea is not so bad because the weight should not be a problem -  but with an original spare wheel carrier the load is to concentrated on one point
  • Better to fixed the wheel in this way that the complete tire will have contact with bonnet – spare wheel carrier function only to hold the wheel in it’s position
  • mit freundlichen Grüssen / best regards​ 
  • Ing. Martin Zach
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Hmmm I thought it was now illegal to have them - have sent a request off to DVLA, so should know this time next year. However make sure you have VERY strong mounts and more importantly that the bonnet fixings are robust - a right pain in the bum when you are driving and they vibrate up and down - almost doubles the size of the tire!

As it's a Hutchinson, I would recommend 4x2 reinforced steel girders should suffice!laugh just imagine rolling down the road and some muppet pulls out or you crash into a tree at speed - not sure I would like that coming at me....

Looks nicer at the back anyway.

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  well done Joe let me know if its  illegal to have a wheel on the bonnet

   i was going to keep the 1 on the back and have 2 spares

    carbon fiber wrap on the bonnet to match the colours of my G

      a lot of L/R around Sussex still     drive with them on

     bull bars are illegal but its OK if your car is a oldtimer

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Regarding the bullbar thing, I think it's illegal to fit a "new" bar to a new vehicle post mid 2000's, however by some quirk of the law, an old bar can be retrofitted, so if you got an old bar, stripped it and re plastic coated so it looked new, then you're fine.

As for the wheels on bonnets, not sure... land rover stopped fitting them with the intro of the Td5 (1997~1998) as they had a bonnet with a smaller inside profile to clear the rocker cover plastic piece.... try fitting a pre Td5 bonnet to a Td5 and it rattles like buggery... ask me how I know!

But as said above, I've not seen one LR bonnet that's not cracked and split over time. Having said that, the "hinges" on the bulkhead and front slam panel are very similar between LR and G, so I can't see that strength there would be an issue.

I have some details somewhere, I'll dig them out, of a company that made a Td5 spec wheel frame, which in short was a large A shaped frame, the bottoms of the A bolt onto both hinges, and the top of the A is at the front of the bonnet right above the locking pin thing that goes into the slam panel. so all the weight is carried by this frame and distributed amongst the bulkhead hinges and front slam panel.

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diesel_jim wrote:

Regarding the bullbar thing, I think it's illegal to fit a "new" bar to a new vehicle post mid 2000's, however by some quirk of the law, an old bar can be retrofitted, so if you got an old bar, stripped it and re plastic coated so it looked new, then you're fine.

As for the wheels on bonnets, not sure... land rover stopped fitting them with the intro of the Td5 (1997~1998) as they had a bonnet with a smaller inside profile to clear the rocker cover plastic piece.... try fitting a pre Td5 bonnet to a Td5 and it rattles like buggery... ask me how I know!

But as said above, I've not seen one LR bonnet that's not cracked and split over time. Having said that, the "hinges" on the bulkhead and front slam panel are very similar between LR and G, so I can't see that strength there would be an issue.

I have some details somewhere, I'll dig them out, of a company that made a Td5 spec wheel frame, which in short was a large A shaped frame, the bottoms of the A bolt onto both hinges, and the top of the A is at the front of the bonnet right above the locking pin thing that goes into the slam panel. so all the weight is carried by this frame and distributed amongst the bulkhead hinges and front slam panel.

I think technically even for an older vehicle it has to have been fitted prior to the legislation i.e. you can't bolt an old bullbar to an old vehicle that didn't originally have it. 

I had an original 460  bullbar  on mine and I took it off and thew it away. In the end I concluded that other than the aesthetics there is IMHO little reason to have them fitted in the UK and frankly the vehicle will already do significant damage to someone it if hit them, no reason to add to that (and for any vehicle collision the bars aren't going to save you much damage and  might well prompt enquiries from the insurance co).. 

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fcp wrote:

diesel_jim wrote:

Regarding the bullbar thing, I think it's illegal to fit a "new" bar to a new vehicle post mid 2000's, however by some quirk of the law, an old bar can be retrofitted, so if you got an old bar, stripped it and re plastic coated so it looked new, then you're fine.

 

I think technically even for an older vehicle it has to have been fitted prior to the legislation i.e. you can't bolt an old bullbar to an old vehicle that didn't originally have it. 

Due to an EU Directive in 2007 which became a Regulation in 2009 it is illegal post 2007 to manufacture or offer for sale a Frontal Protection System (Bull Bar) which does not comply with the EU technical specification ( no metal and deformable).

New vehicles manufactured after 2007 will not receive EU type approval or certificate of conformity if they are fitted by the manufacturer  with a FPS which does not meet EU technical specifications.

I think the idea of the regulation is to stop the manufacture and sale of non compliant bull bars and also prevent the vehicle manufacturer fitting them as OEM. If they restrict the supply eventually there will be hardly any left.

From my understanding of the regulation it does not prevent a private individual from fitting a non complient Bull Bar ( if he can source one) to his vehicle if he wanted to. This may have other consequences from an insurance point of view however.

 

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I managed to pick up a genuine G bar for my 460 a while back, I like the look of it, it'll certainly be going onto mine at some point.

 

There are probably people who say they shouldn't be fitted so as to protect pedestrians, but a) the front of a G (or a defender) is hardly pedestrian friendly anyway, and b) stay out of the road...

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  having a bull bar fitted has saved my G countless times

   over the last 25 years 

   in over grown lanes gates swinging back in the wind

   and at the AGM when richard wells (bless him)

    backed in to me

   and you can close the gate without getting out of the car

   lazy i know would never be without one

    (BULL BAR SUPPORTERS CLUB)

    

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  MAYBE THIS IS THE ANSWER I AM LOOKING FORcool

  PLONK THE 6th HUTCHINSON ON IT JOB DONE I HOPEyes

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Hi Adrian, don't forget you have a bull bar sitting in my shed waiting for a new owner!   And I still owe you a pint, better come and claim it !!!!!!!!!!

Regards, Rowland

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  hi rowland hope you and sarah are in good health 

   i am back in 3 weeks i have your number i will give you a call

   so we can meet up yes

   adrian

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Looks great.. Just makes sure you up the wash wipe bottle capacity - You don't want to have to opening your bonnet any more often that you absolutely have too :-)). I take it the whole lots swings forward, and you will in fact be able to see over/round a hutchinson wheel/tyre combo? Simon
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cox.adrian wrote:

  MAYBE THIS IS THE ANSWER I AM LOOKING FORcool

  PLONK THE 6th HUTCHINSON ON IT JOB DONE I HOPEyes

it was manufactured only 40 copies of the French army by panhard industry , and they are all put in the grinder is the only copy that remains 

     BUGGER / DAM / POO

​          GOING DOWN THE PUBcrying