Looking at a G-Wagon

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I'm new to all this g wagon stuff so I don't know what to look for. I'm looking to travel around europe and maybe further afield. My budget is around the £15,000 - £18,000 mark. What would be the ideal g model for that price? I'm prefferebly looking at LWB as I could sleep in the back.

I found this the other day http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411

​Whats everyones thoughts, would it fit the bill?

I've been looking at buying a G wagon for a while, I don't really want to jump in and buy one straight away hence why i'm asking these questions.

Thanks.

Tom

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Welcome to gwoa tom. The link you have posted does not seem to work. Please be so careful of scams and of being offered vehicles by people messaging you or sending unsolicited e mails etc. Please read the buying guides which are a sticky. You are doing the right thing posting up any vehicle you are considering as the members may well know the vehicle and be able to assist. A member nearly lost 4 k a few days ago to a scam on piston heads for a lwb g wagen that was too good to be true. He had sent the money to the scammers but his bank put a hold on the transaction. Please be careful . G wagens are fantastic vehicles and will be a pleasure to own . You just need to buy the right one.
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http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411

 

I'm hoping that works. I know that one as I saw it too, but it looked to good to be true so I avoided it.

Thanks for the quick reply too!

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Hi tom , yes that g has been advertised on this site by a forum member (they were not a full gwoa member) the seller had the name 'speedracer'. The 280 petrol engine in a lwb is horrendously thirsty a 500 V8 petrol is better on fuel. However this g looks very good in the pictures but the advert has been around for ages .If it is still for sale get it inspected properly and beware of any scam type stuff of being told owner is aboard ..transport company will deliver to your door.. A lwb g 280 will do 14 to 16 mpg and 12 mpg or worse if towing a trailer. lovely vehicle to travel in though.
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Thanks, I will give that a miss then haha, he seemed a decent guy when I rang him yesterday, I just need a g with good MPG. What would you recommend for the perfect wagon to travel in? Bear in mind my budget is about £15,000 to £18,000.

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It has to be a 461 290 turbo diesel lwb , if you are travelling abroad a lot then a lhd version may be an option.
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I'l keep a look out for that, I've seen loads of 460 & 463 but no 461 though, are they quite rare?
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Have a look on mobile.de   there's loads of 461 professionals on there, mostly white, as the German and Austrian utility companies tend to use them a lot (like British companies use Landrovers over here)

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Hello Tom and welcome.

First off MPG and G's are never two things to have in the same sentence! When one is hauling around over 2 tonnes of metal, three diff locks, perm 4 wheel drive (if its a 463), sadly MPG will never feature greatly. Diesels (with the standard engines) as Axel has pointed out do come out marginally worse off that some of the big engined G's.
 
You can convert to gas - but you will lose a load of boot space for the tank
You can convert from a 606 to a Axel/Eddie/Gordon special and the mpg can go up to a respectable 25+MPG
Hydrogen - witch craft, but gives around 15% better MPG, zero emissions and loads of scathing comments.
 
You have come to the right place for advice and I would echo the comments Axel made about doing the research - please read the buying advice/G fever/ watch out stickies in the Buying advice. BUt if you are doing some overseas traveling maybe a LHD would suit your needs more? It is a much bigger market with more choice and larger range.
 
There is no such thing as a silly question on here, even if you have read the buying advice, keep asking them anyway, the answers will wander all over the place, but the information held is valuable, remember this is the oldest G Wagen members club in the world and we have some 'Sages' on here who's guidance and advice can save you time, money and embarrassment! Which ever G Wagen you get, you know it will be a solid motor, will get you there and will be unlike anything else both on road and off it. It capabilities far out-way the MPG argument - I mean why would 90+ countries choose them for their military? 
 
Please also take note of being approached via the PM / email system. If you are approached post p their name and company and people will offer their comments. Those dealers on here that do trade are open and transparent and won't mind.
 
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Start your trip in Russia and buy a G whilst you are there.

With the collapse of the Russian currency the pound is now worth nearly twice what it was a year ago against the Ruble. So with the current exchange rate a used Russian G can be bought very cheaply over there compared with what it would cost in Western Europe.

here are a few examples....

http://www.gwoa.co.uk/content/cheap-russian-g-wagons

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The 280 is a great engine despite what some will tell you but economy isn’t it’s strong point to say the least. I could manage 19 if I really tried in my 280 auto but 12 to 16 is more likely. It’s a great combination off road as well when combined with an auto box.

It’ll drive way better than the 5 cylinder diesels that were fitted in the 460 and some people have used them for extended over land trips.

It has to be said that a more modern diesel will be a better proposition based on your description of intended use.

My 463 has done many thousands of miles off road through Africa with the 603 diesel engine. This is a pretty basic non turbo diesel engine which is still ultimately under powered but for overland trips it’s perfectly adequate and has the advantage of being used in many other MB vehicles. The lack of turbo does have some positives, even factory 606 turbo's suffer high under bonnet temp's when used hard in high ambient temps.

An early 463 is a great combination of relative simplicity and refinement. I wouldn’t be blinded by the “wonders” of permanent 4wd drive though. The up side of 463’s is they’re newer and more numerous (especially in Europe and in your stated price bracket). It has to be admitted they are slightly more complex though.

I maybe wrong but I think you’ll struggle to find a good factory 463 with the 606 engine for you budget. You may be able to purchase one but IMHO you’ll then need to invest maybe another £2 to 3k to prep it for an extended trip. Same goes for any G you find though. Note I'm not talking about the overland bling, winches etc. I'm just talking preping the drivetrain and suspension.

Again IMHO the problem of finding a good 460 is that they are now pretty old and you need to pay top money, especially for a LWB in excellent condition and you’re then looking at throwing more money at it to complete an engine swap. Unless you can live with the extremely sluggish diesel engine. If you’re on an extended overland trip speed may of course be of no consequence.

Jim’s correct on the European 461’s. I would suggest that even though they may well come with serious service history you should still be cautious about what sort of use they have seen (speaking from experience here!)

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Before you decide anything try and calculate the mileage you intend doing on an annualised basis, if you intend doing say 5,000 miles in a ge280 auto at 14mpg; then that works out at 357 gallons at the current figure of £1.05 a litre multiply by 4.55 result is £1707. Then subtract a figure based on an estimated figure that a diesel might give you say 23-25 mpg for a 603 a little better for a 606a, & the earlier diesel the 617 gives broadly similar figures. Add a small percentage for the price difference and the more frequent oil changes that the diesel needs so 5,000 miles divided by 24 = gives us 208 gallons, these are more expensive at £1.15 per litre or £5.23 per gallon multiply by the fewer gallons gives £1087.

For a ge300 in a 463 work out the fuel consumption at 17/18 mpg and 22 for a 603 diesel

Total difference is in the region of £600 but doesn't include the extra costs of frequent oil changes but if you do them yourself its just the filters and oil. The cost of a proper conversion to a 606a could well run to £7,000 so it would take 10 years before you get your money back. If you intend long term ownership and these vehicle with care should  outlast anything a LandRover can do then go ahead. However bear in mind that fuel duties can change and there is considerable and growing concern over diesel particulates, so it is not inconceivable that the petrol/diesel balance may be altered at some point in the future. If you intend fewer miles the cost is more problematic, more miles its a better proposition.

LPG has been mentioned, this doesn't work well on the older ge280 unit with auto partially due to having the basic k-jetronic bosch fuel injection system, the ge300 has ke-jetronic which is better, it is also possible to install a decent sized fuel tank on the left hand side of the cars chassis, avoiding the loss of internal space though it does mean shortening the exhaust to exit on the right and removing the large and convoluted rear exhaust box.

To sum up you do have quite a few options some very radical, others that will maintain the vehicles authenticity if that's an issue for you, take your time, look at as many as you can get the feel of the different engine units, good luck

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http://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-g-290-grainau/202213770.html Just seen this one on mobile.de and think it looks okay, I'm not too bothered about looks, I just want it to be reliable and good (ish) on fuel. What's the thoughts? I think getting one from Russia would be a bit too risky in my opinion, but that's just me. Thanks
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if you mean the one with the camper body

 http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-g-290-zuna/201689544.html?lang=de&pageNumber=1&__lp=2&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=156&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&damageUnrepaired=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORT&categories=OffRoad&noec=1

it looks to be a very good price and should suit as a sleeping area

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welcome tom.

 

will my eyes peeled incase something tidy comes up... i reckon a nice tidy 463 300 na diesel would do you proud. and you would have a good base for a 606a conversion in the future.

 

rgds hus

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Okay so I've just seen this 

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-g-290-290-gd-lang-exp...

It looks in pretty decent condition, pretty cool boot install, saves me time building one. Whats every ones thoughts on it? Does it look good for the price? 

 

Thanks

Tom

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Huge amount of expense and work done for you . Plenty of life left in the vehicle if the reality lives up to the pictures and spec it would be a great vehicle . Get it inspected. You would not be able to build a 461 like that for the money , the euro is weak against the pound making this even more attractive.
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True, that's what I was thinking.

Does anyone know if you have a to pay import tax if I was to bring the car over?

What sort of documents do I have to fill out if I was to bring it to the UK?

Thanks.

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EU is an open market so no import duty, would this long wheel base P4 suit

 

http://www.g-zuna.nl/Mercedes-Benz/G-klasse/G-KLASSE-2.5D-PEUGEOT-P4-VER...  

This dutch firm have loads for sale but don't show the prices

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Ah that's good news, for a second I thought I was going to have to pay. I'm thinking about the one I showed earlier, mainly because it already had the boot build. Just hoping my insurance isn't sky high. Anyone know of any cheap insurance companies for the g wagon?
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Brentwood charge me £130 a year for my ge300 limited mileage, but comp cover

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looks tidy that one ! need to make a trip with an expert tbh...

 

rgds hus

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TomBodenham wrote:

Hi, 

I'm new to all this g wagon stuff so I don't know what to look for. I'm looking to travel around europe and maybe further afield. My budget is around the £15,000 - £18,000 mark. What would be the ideal g model for that price? I'm prefferebly looking at LWB as I could sleep in the back.

I found this the other day http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411

​Whats everyones thoughts, would it fit the bill?

I've been looking at buying a G wagon for a while, I don't really want to jump in and buy one straight away hence why i'm asking these questions.

Thanks.

Tom

 

Hello Tom,

i have aver a nice G-wagon for sale, use it everyday for commuting and family use.  Maybe you might like it.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C539027

 

​kind regards

Goochie

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thats a nice G  goochie has up for sale..

 

hus

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Thank you mate, I run her everyday. The first w463's are built sooooo well.

regards

G