Looking at a G-Wagon
Hi,
I'm new to all this g wagon stuff so I don't know what to look for. I'm looking to travel around europe and maybe further afield. My budget is around the £15,000 - £18,000 mark. What would be the ideal g model for that price? I'm prefferebly looking at LWB as I could sleep in the back.
I found this the other day http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411
Whats everyones thoughts, would it fit the bill?
I've been looking at buying a G wagon for a while, I don't really want to jump in and buy one straight away hence why i'm asking these questions.
Thanks.
Tom
Have a look on mobile.de there's loads of 461 professionals on there, mostly white, as the German and Austrian utility companies tend to use them a lot (like British companies use Landrovers over here)
Hello Tom and welcome.
Start your trip in Russia and buy a G whilst you are there.
With the collapse of the Russian currency the pound is now worth nearly twice what it was a year ago against the Ruble. So with the current exchange rate a used Russian G can be bought very cheaply over there compared with what it would cost in Western Europe.
here are a few examples....
The 280 is a great engine despite what some will tell you but economy isn’t it’s strong point to say the least. I could manage 19 if I really tried in my 280 auto but 12 to 16 is more likely. It’s a great combination off road as well when combined with an auto box.
It’ll drive way better than the 5 cylinder diesels that were fitted in the 460 and some people have used them for extended over land trips.
It has to be said that a more modern diesel will be a better proposition based on your description of intended use.
My 463 has done many thousands of miles off road through Africa with the 603 diesel engine. This is a pretty basic non turbo diesel engine which is still ultimately under powered but for overland trips it’s perfectly adequate and has the advantage of being used in many other MB vehicles. The lack of turbo does have some positives, even factory 606 turbo's suffer high under bonnet temp's when used hard in high ambient temps.
An early 463 is a great combination of relative simplicity and refinement. I wouldn’t be blinded by the “wonders” of permanent 4wd drive though. The up side of 463’s is they’re newer and more numerous (especially in Europe and in your stated price bracket). It has to be admitted they are slightly more complex though.
I maybe wrong but I think you’ll struggle to find a good factory 463 with the 606 engine for you budget. You may be able to purchase one but IMHO you’ll then need to invest maybe another £2 to 3k to prep it for an extended trip. Same goes for any G you find though. Note I'm not talking about the overland bling, winches etc. I'm just talking preping the drivetrain and suspension.
Again IMHO the problem of finding a good 460 is that they are now pretty old and you need to pay top money, especially for a LWB in excellent condition and you’re then looking at throwing more money at it to complete an engine swap. Unless you can live with the extremely sluggish diesel engine. If you’re on an extended overland trip speed may of course be of no consequence.
Jim’s correct on the European 461’s. I would suggest that even though they may well come with serious service history you should still be cautious about what sort of use they have seen (speaking from experience here!)
Before you decide anything try and calculate the mileage you intend doing on an annualised basis, if you intend doing say 5,000 miles in a ge280 auto at 14mpg; then that works out at 357 gallons at the current figure of £1.05 a litre multiply by 4.55 result is £1707. Then subtract a figure based on an estimated figure that a diesel might give you say 23-25 mpg for a 603 a little better for a 606a, & the earlier diesel the 617 gives broadly similar figures. Add a small percentage for the price difference and the more frequent oil changes that the diesel needs so 5,000 miles divided by 24 = gives us 208 gallons, these are more expensive at £1.15 per litre or £5.23 per gallon multiply by the fewer gallons gives £1087.
For a ge300 in a 463 work out the fuel consumption at 17/18 mpg and 22 for a 603 diesel
Total difference is in the region of £600 but doesn't include the extra costs of frequent oil changes but if you do them yourself its just the filters and oil. The cost of a proper conversion to a 606a could well run to £7,000 so it would take 10 years before you get your money back. If you intend long term ownership and these vehicle with care should outlast anything a LandRover can do then go ahead. However bear in mind that fuel duties can change and there is considerable and growing concern over diesel particulates, so it is not inconceivable that the petrol/diesel balance may be altered at some point in the future. If you intend fewer miles the cost is more problematic, more miles its a better proposition.
LPG has been mentioned, this doesn't work well on the older ge280 unit with auto partially due to having the basic k-jetronic bosch fuel injection system, the ge300 has ke-jetronic which is better, it is also possible to install a decent sized fuel tank on the left hand side of the cars chassis, avoiding the loss of internal space though it does mean shortening the exhaust to exit on the right and removing the large and convoluted rear exhaust box.
To sum up you do have quite a few options some very radical, others that will maintain the vehicles authenticity if that's an issue for you, take your time, look at as many as you can get the feel of the different engine units, good luck
if you mean the one with the camper body
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-g-290-zuna/201689544.html?lang=de&pageNumber=1&__lp=2&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=156&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&damageUnrepaired=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORT&categories=OffRoad&noec=1
it looks to be a very good price and should suit as a sleeping area
welcome tom.
will my eyes peeled incase something tidy comes up... i reckon a nice tidy 463 300 na diesel would do you proud. and you would have a good base for a 606a conversion in the future.
rgds hus
EU is an open market so no import duty, would this long wheel base P4 suit
http://www.g-zuna.nl/Mercedes-Benz/G-klasse/G-KLASSE-2.5D-PEUGEOT-P4-VER...
This dutch firm have loads for sale but don't show the prices
Importing from EU is very straight forward.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicle-importing/vehicle-importing.asp
https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/overview
Appears to be a nice G270
Brentwood charge me £130 a year for my ge300 limited mileage, but comp cover
looks tidy that one ! need to make a trip with an expert tbh...
rgds hus
Hi,
I'm new to all this g wagon stuff so I don't know what to look for. I'm looking to travel around europe and maybe further afield. My budget is around the £15,000 - £18,000 mark. What would be the ideal g model for that price? I'm prefferebly looking at LWB as I could sleep in the back.
I found this the other day http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411
Whats everyones thoughts, would it fit the bill?
I've been looking at buying a G wagon for a while, I don't really want to jump in and buy one straight away hence why i'm asking these questions.
Thanks.
Tom
Hello Tom,
i have aver a nice G-wagon for sale, use it everyday for commuting and family use. Maybe you might like it.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C539027
kind regards
Goochie
thats a nice G goochie has up for sale..
hus
Thank you mate, I run her everyday. The first w463's are built sooooo well.
regards
G
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C461411
I'm hoping that works. I know that one as I saw it too, but it looked to good to be true so I avoided it.
Thanks for the quick reply too!