This is getting confusing
Hello
I can only comment that on RHD cars the location of the collapsible steering column would interfere with the location of the exhaust-manifold and turbo assembly, both being on the right side of the engine.
I am sure others like G-Restorations will comment on the best engine options.
Not sure what fuel 'economy' you'd be looking for, but if you want the best achievable, then electronically controlled injection, like on a 270CDi, would be my choice.
I don't believe MB produced a rhd 606. These engines can be fitted to rhd 463s though, I know I've done it.
The 606 turbo is a great engine and if you were to get a factory one the last thing I would do is swap the electronically controlled pump for a mechanical one. That's unless you were aiming for huge bhp by fitting a myna pump and other mods.
IMHO the 463 can make a great daily driver but compared to a Q7 even one of the latest G will feel old, cramped and certainly won't be as refined. But then it's a completely different animal.
From today’s perspective the attraction of the 300TD is reasonable performance combined with a perceived manageable set-up (no CAN-bus). However, the 300TD cannot compete with the CDI engines, neither in terms of fuel consumption nor in terms of performance. People who have both owned a 300TD and a 400CDI will tell you that the 400CDI is significantly faster whilst showing lower fuel consumption.
The direct comparison to a Q7: the G is more practicable, the Q7 more comfortable.
Hello
I have seen this in the flesh!
Looks tidy. clean paint etc...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/g-class/m...
Like most projects/desires budget is the final arbitor, how handy are you on the spanners are you? Do you look after your own cars? Do you have the facilities to take on a project? The G of your desires should be chosen from YOUR ingoing needs.
Be careful of advice on here, some advisors will lead you astray!!
Gordon
Sounds like you're describing a 606 G to me. So 2 options. A factory lhd with electronically controlled pump Or a 463 rhd conversion, probably with a mechanical pump. Both will run on veg oil if you want. I wouldn't expect more than low 20mpg from either.
Any G Wagen is a compromise. As above only you can figure what you can live with.
Makes sense to me, you know what you want. To answer you some of your questions:
1. yes, see http://www.gwoa.co.uk/content/1991-463-swb-fitted-606a-engine; I would have a chat with the seller how easy the conversion was;
2. 300TD was built from 96 -01;
3. judging by your post above, the 300TD fits your bill; expect 19 with a light foot, best case 22 mpg; 30 mpg are unrealistic in a G;
4. I do not know;
5. if you think that the CDI engines have reliability issues then do not consider an engine conversion or any type of modification; to put "606, the engine everybody raves about" into perspective: the 300GD from the eighties is a very reliable and popular car, if you rate reliability this is probably your first choice; but it is slow; the quantum leap forward is the 300TD (606 engine) but if you want reliability the 290 GDT would probably be your option; personally I doubt that the common rail diesels (=CDI) are less reliable than a 300DT, to start with their gearboxes are more reliable (300DT has 330 Nm torque, gearbox is rated 330 Nm). People who rate reliability are cautious re the common rate engines as they are complex high performance engines that have to comply with ever greater emission regulations (that is the reason why the 270 CDI is regarded by some as the golden compromise). However, if you compare the 300GD engine with the 300TD engine you will notice as well a significant increase in complexity.
The 463, SWB auto, 300GD that I had, with non- turbo 603 Engine and all of 110 bhp is super-reliable and would do 25 MPG. Very under stressed engine.
In fact, its predecessor, the 5-cyl , OM 617, 300D, (from the 300GD, w460) with its 1970' s origins, is widely regarded to be the most reliable MB engine ever. I still have a 1986 example that has never, ever, gone wrong.
Spoke with Axel about this a while ago, apparently a 606 in a 463 would be possible, however there are more complications with regard to the permanent 4 wheel drive and some of the wiring that is different to a 460. You would also have to have some parts made to get around the steering wheel issues. As Gordon has mentioned - you would be best to establish the price/cost as it would be expensive.
HTH
Spider1V
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From today’s perspective the attraction of the 300TD is reasonable performance combined with a perceived manageable set-up (no CAN-bus). However, the 300TD cannot compete with the CDI engines, neither in terms of fuel consumption nor in terms of performance. People who have both owned a 300TD and a 400CDI will tell you that the 400CDI is significantly faster whilst showing lower fuel consumption.
The direct comparison to a Q7: the G is more practicable, the Q7 more comfortable.
Theo, Iv read that the cdi engines are not reliable and that owners have had issues with them. But then my driving will be 99.9% road. The reason I'm thinking 606 is I may want to have a play with veg oil and others alike.
In regards to fuel consumption, i average around 30mpg so anything similar to that I would be happy with. Even 20mpg if I can arrange for cheap fuel (whether it be 'not as refined' diesel or veg oil).
That link for that car on piston heads is a petrol. And don't quite fancy all the bling as it's not factory. A sheep in wolfs clothing kinda thing.
The q7 is a very refined car but it's not me. I worry about parking and catching the curb, I worry about it being dirty and not looking fresh, any squeak and rattle I hear annoys me as it should be silent and refined to the nth degree. But a g wagon isn't trying to be a refined road car, it's more pure and has real heritage and that's what I find is desirable about it.
I want a g that I can basically run to the ground or pass onto my grandkids (and to put that into perspective, my boy is turning 1 next month)
Again thanks for the replies