G500 Broken rear spring
Afternoon all, nice to have met some of you at the AGM!
Thank you to Roly who pointed out a exhaust hanger had snapped and that my exhaust was resting on the rear chassis,you are very observant,so thanks again.
The small bracket was welded to day and all is well.
- The chap who welded the bracket has noticed a rear spring is broken,my local Merc. dealer tells me the part showing on epc. is 4603240704 is not available and that if it was they are £196 each before any discount, Reg. number of my car is T221GJB is it necessary to replace the pair and does anyone know where i could try to get them?
- How do i get rid of the black dot,s at the beginning of this?
- Thanks!
Broken rear springs are common occurrence. You can replace the single spring with a new correct MB one. Or replace 2 with aftermarket ones. I've always replaced singularly with an MB one. Gav can probably help with the MB number and availability.
Pleased that the exhaust was an easy fix. Good to meet you at the agm, a lovely G you own.
Try A J H Leisure Ltd in Spalding. Just got a pair of rear springs from them £118 inc vat and delivered + great service.
I had a broken rear spring about 4 weeks ago on my G500. Was told none of the MB ones were available anywhere in the UK. Put on order and to my surprise one arrived a few days later. Price was crazy - around £200.
Hey Devon, did you buy genuine and if so did you end up with this conversation re the yellow orange paint markings,I can feel I am going to get hung up on this now, where is my anorak!
If you do go aftermarket, only go for Spidan springs probably have to go through German eBay but euro helpful in that respect. Pretty certain I have seen Geld( yellow) springs for a good price. Spidan easily the best quality and offers a very comprehensive range for the G
Yes it was a genuine MB one. No idea about the colouring - I left the car with the garage and picked up when done.
You have 4 springs and 4 shocks, they are just separate, not coilovers or struts
The MB dealers need to either get some training or focus!
Rear Spring is A460 324 07 04 which is Yellow / Orange code
This has to be ordered with a suffix code of 50, 51 or 52 depending if the spring is marked with 1, 2 or 3 of the above coloured stripes.
A460 324 07 04 50 £223.75 + VAT EACH
A460 324 07 04 51 £223.75 + VAT EACH
A460 324 07 05 52 £223.75 + VAT EACH
MBUK have these...
A460 324 07 04 52 in stock x1
MB Germany have these...
A460 324 07 04 50 in stock x88
A460 324 07 04 51 in stock x324
A460 324 07 04 52 in stock x135
So take your pick
From Germany in 5/6 days with Calais issues at the moment
TBH without being funny, you will not notice the fine difference between 1, 2 or 3 stripe springs, better to fit a matching pair, but you have been driving with a broken one and not noticed!
Nice to chat Saturday by the way and great G with nice family history
Gav
Devonjem
Yours is a SWB 500 so only sprung on A460 324 02 04 Yellow
Blue Fin
Yours is a LWB obviously and Yellow / Orange
Myriad of colour options and sub options, hard to explain and understand, (again without being funny) if your not sure your car has shockers...
Only 21 serial numbers apart though and both rare RHD, know of another one with the serial number before yours too...
Common these 500's! lol
These are the type of colored markings you're looking for...
These from a late (94) 300ge SWB with factory Yellow the same as Devonjem's 500
The MB dealers need to either get some training or focus!
Rear Spring is A460 324 07 04 which is Yellow / Orange code
This has to be ordered with a suffix code of 50, 51 or 52 depending if the spring is marked with 1, 2 or 3 of the above coloured stripes.
A460 324 07 04 50 £223.75 + VAT EACH
A460 324 07 04 51 £223.75 + VAT EACH
A460 324 07 04 52 £223.75 + VAT EACH
MBUK have these...
A460 324 07 04 52 in stock x1
MB Germany have these...
A460 324 07 04 50 in stock x88
A460 324 07 04 51 in stock x324
A460 324 07 04 52 in stock x135
So take your pick
From Germany in 5/6 days with Calais issues at the moment
TBH without being funny, you will not notice the fine difference between 1, 2 or 3 stripe springs, better to fit a matching pair, but you have been driving with a broken one and not noticed!
Nice to chat Saturday by the way and great G with nice family history
Gav
Adjusted my own typo on the number
That's great Gav, thank you for bothering to look it up, I noticed in the members area there is a spring section but I could not find anything on the 500, anyway you have cleared it up now, so thank you,
I will talk to my local dealer in the morning, the parts guy I spoke to knew as much as me, which wasn't a good start!
the reason i questioned the shocks is that the spring seems to fit over a rubber cone at the top and a cup at the bottom, I could not see the damper/ shock in the picture that was posted at the start of this thread,which the mechanic who welded the bracket back onto the exhaust sent me, well that's my excuse!
That's interesting you know of another 500 with the serial number before, what colour ?
it would make for interesting reading if there was a page on this forum of all the chassis numbers of vehicles that were in the UK with brief details ie colour , engine,wheel base etc,
Spring sits on a metal dish top and bottom
Bottom dish is on the axle, top dish on the chassis
The rubber cone is the bump stop at the top and is mounted in the middle of the dish / spring
The shocker is mounted forward of these, the top mount comes of the top spring dish set up and the lower shock mount on the axle tube again
I guess its the old fashioned way but gives good control and articulation compared to the shocker inside spring set up you see on most modern cars
The serial before yours was also a RHD but SWB 500 like Devonjem's and in Azurite Blue 5366 and was owned by a great guy called Luke but i think he has since moved it on...
Devonjem's is Emerald Green Black 9189 and yours is Zircon Green 6257
Database would be good but i fear the value of all G's would put most people off posting up too much?
Gav
You supplied me with 460 324 07 04/52 last year when mine went. I recall I found 2 stripes on the existing spring which matched the suffix
Gav, just to check I have this correct, 50 is yellow, 51 is yellow and orange, ( which should be on my car) 52 is a three stripe, yellow orange yellow, I have got confused with Rolys last e mail saying you got him 52 which he says has 2 colour stripes, has he got that correct?my dealer can get me whichever I want but does not have access to the 50/51/52 code endings.he will give me 25% off which is handy, I mentioned I was gwoa!
The suffixes 50, 51 and 52 refer to the number of stripes the spring has. This is a subdivision of the colour and is a fine adjustment of the load/ deflection rating of the spring. In your (and my) case we have a yellow/ orange spring which is the PN in noted above. Springs for Gs come in about 6 different colours.
The rear springs that I have just fitted to my 1988 230GES are Manufactured by Monroe.
They appear to do ever thing they should at a quarter of the MB price. Monroe make springs for a number of European car manufactures so I assume they are OEM quality.
Just goes to prove what a great bunch of knowledgeable people you all are, thank you so much for the advice from those who have contributed,both on this forum and from PM,S
To try and end this post, I just would like to ask for confirmation that if my G came with yellow/orange paint on the springs, (the main dealer is telling me it did) do I order the part with the suffix that ends 52? ( For some reason the dealer I am using does not have access to the suffix codes)
Just double checking as the Merc dealer won't change them if I change my mind,
OK,so Roly is shouting at me from Peterborough saying YES, 52,s will Gav shout from North Lincs? 52,s
Thanks!
The safest way to check is to look at what is actually fitted on the vehicle. the springs are marked with orange and yellow paint and with one or two stripes. If the vehicle is more than 5 years old, I would change both springs because over time, they sag, so replacing one may end up with an un-even rear. The usual cause of failure is crevice corrosion from slat pitting or similar. If one spring has failed, the one on the other side may well follow.
there was this earlier post:
http://www.gwoa.co.uk/forum/springs
and
http://pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=19981
Hi
You need Yellow Orange springs these are part number A460 324 07 04
Now forget the colour as such
How many stripes are on the spring 1, 2 or 3 and order suffix 50, 51 or 52 respectively
As Arnie states, if ones broken the other usually ain't far behind so i would change both...
However either a 50, 51 or 52 will do the job
Some colours are only available now in one of the stripe versions so no matter what version you need only type is available anyway
You are just spoilt by choice here...
I have never seem a genuine MB spring (even 25 years old) that you can't make out the stripes with a quick clean
The dealer just needs to either look at the FOOTNOTE next to the part on EPC or go back to school!
This is bare basics that i have apprentices after 6 weeks working out...
Gav
The springs on the car do not have any stripes,we have looked at all four, they were replaced In 2012 by a non franchised dealer,presumably using non genuine parts, the repair invoice doesn't show a part number,either way no stripes,I only know about the colours as you guys and the dealer have told me,
let's now say I have decided on the yellow orange combo as this is what the car left the factory with, (so I am told) so this is suffix 52, I get it if there are no stripes then it's 50, so what I have could be genuine or non genuine,but that doesn't seem correct, mercs would have put some thing on them surely?
On that basis, if 50 is no stripe,51 is one stripe,then maybe I have genuine after all,why am I still asking,I don't want to mess the ride up,I like the softness of the car as it is,I don't want sport car thumps!
if you let me have your VIN i will see what puch quote?
adrian
No...
All MB springs have stripes...
50 1 stripe
51 2 stripe
52 3 stripe
Sounds like you have none genuine...
I would be replacing both for sure if you have non genuine
Especially as they have only lasted 3 years
If you don't know, i would go for 51 2 stripe as middle of the road
Gav
Is a spring going at 3 years a frequent occurrence? Can't say I've ever heard of it. Had about eleven(ish) MB's since '93 and have only ever had to replace springs once. That was rear springs on my SL60. A '98 MY replaced about three years ago.
I guess G's will get harder use but even so, three years......????
Update, I spoke to the garage who I thought had replaced the springs but they had not, just replaced the 4 shocks, the springs could well the original equipment as supplied from new and have not been replaced,(well by them anyway)the paperwork I have is a abbreviated account and I miss understood it.
the garage will let me know what make of shocks were used when i take it in, that may start me off on the shocks next!
I will get the car on a ramp and look myself for paint markings,so as Gav has pointed out if I look hard enough they should/will be there, so I guess 16 year old springs have done pretty well!
In that case you should definitely replace as a pair as the originals will have sagged in 16 years. You will also need what looks like a length of hose to slide over the first turn of the springs and act as a cushion on the chassis spring mounts. A couple of extra coats of paint on the new springs and mounts will help preserve them.
GRAZ quote for your G
2x 4603240704-2000 REAR SPRING, yellow-orange, 2 lines EUR 270 incl tax & bank on stock
4x 4609977082 PROTECTION HOSE EUR 17 incl tax & bank on stock
shipping NOT incl
adrian
What a great club to be involved in, me a new member has had so much kind and helpful input i am overwhelmed, thank you all so much.
Gav, Arnie, Roly, Panzer, Devonjem, Philias, Spider, Jason,and Coxi what a decent bunch you all are, its been worth every penny of my £25 membership,and if i had waited before ordering i could have saved £160 or so through Adrian,s contact,next time then.
When I bought my 463 over 10 years ago now, the rear springs were sagging, not broken, it was as if they weren't up to the task. I fitted an after market set of lwb springs [mine is a swb] from a supplier listed in the back pages of the quarterly G-Wizz magazine. They are still going strong no sag, fronts are still the originals now 22 years old.
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Hi Roly, thanks, your G is great to, I am pleased you have had so much use from yours and have become so knowledgable on the 500, you will become a great source of information for new owners!
Panzer, your springs were a low cost, thank you for recommending the company, are you going to fit them on a 500?
If not, are all the springs generic for the 463? I know Mercs are not a spring manufacturer but the ones you have purchased how do you know they are of the same strength/ Spring rate etc or does it really mater and would you know anyway? My local dealer was asking me if mine had any identity marks as in yellow and orange paint marks,I will look tomorrow as the g is still at the garage,but what does the colour code mean anyway?
Looking through the service records it had new front and rear shocks at 97252 miles, it's now got 106,000 on it,not wanting to appear stupid,well here we go then! from the image it looks like the car is supported on springs, no traditional shock, So should the invoice be reading new springs not replacement shocks, and if I cannot find any yellow/orange paint marks would that mean non genuine parts have been fitted?