Fire Fighting Vehicle (Fast Response) Suggestions
So what's the required payload?
So what's the required payload?
No payload required at all. Just the fully equipped vehicle. 1000L water is roughly 1 ton, plus weight of tank, plus pump, and minor weight for pipework, nozzles and insulation. Think a LWB truck cab is approx 1700kg. Standard G has a 2800kg gross, so not far off on paper, but offroad with weight is a different thing, hence 6x6 needed if 1000L on board.
For reference, at the moment they are using adapted american Chevrolet 3500 pickup trucks with 260bhp 5.7L petrol V8's 
Maintenance costs have been astronomical due to failed transfer boxes, cracked chassis' and body mounts shearing off.
A number of units have been lost during fire switch backs as well. Regretably with loss of lives.
Was thinking of taking this to Magna, but think even they are going to struggle with the engine side on 100% sunflower oil.
And they have a payload of over 3300 Kg's. Far more the any 4x4 G, possibly the 6x6's too, don't know.
such a thing is already done /hampshire fire and rescue for the new forest fires and also sussex. 461 pur super g 3428mm w/b
maybe try de-caff coffee - just a suggestion.. help you calm down.
And they have a payload of over 3300 Kg's
They're not quite that good.
The GMT400 4x4 platform 2500 has a three-quarter ton payload and the 3500 single wheel one ton.
2-wheel drive models had somewhat higher payloads but 4x4's as above.
such a thing is already done /hampshire fire and rescue for the new forest fires and also sussex. 461 pur super g 3428mm w/b
maybe try de-caff coffee - just a suggestion.. help you calm down.
Not sure what your agenda is? As fine a vehicle it may be, it clearly fails on virtually every main requirement, apart from being a G and perhaps being painted red?
And for the de-caff - thanks but no thanks - maybe you can put that where the sun don't shine?
And for the de-caff - thanks but no thanks - maybe you can put that where the sun don't shine?
Unless you two are mates having a laugh, may I suggest being a bit less gobby! Clear enough?
Unless you two are mates having a laugh, may I suggest being a bit less gobby! Clear enough?
Only giving back as good as I get. 
And they have a payload of over 3300 Kg's
They're not quite that good.
The GMT400 4x4 platform 2500 has a three-quarter ton payload and the 3500 single wheel one ton.
2-wheel drive models had somewhat higher payloads but 4x4's as above.
Yes, good point. 3.3 Tonne is 2 wheel drive, no use whatsoever.
And for the de-caff - thanks but no thanks - maybe you can put that where the sun don't shine?
Unless you two are mates having a laugh, may I suggest being a bit less gobby! Clear enough?
Good call Mark 
Very interesting spec - always wondered why they don't use more MB products in the fire service.
The M103 and M112/113 petrol engines had magnesium valve/cam covers, so might be worth checking what the diesels have.
Good pointer. Thank you.
Think the cam covers don't matter so much - more so the sumps because of the heat. Had a look at a few of my 606's and sumps seem to be all aluminium. So think with the spec wanting under vehicle foggers should be ok if directing a few nozzles to the engine underside.
606 not my first choice of engine - pig of a thing it is, but the 602 2.9 is going to struggle with the power and fuel requirement, direct injection being the main killer. Such a pain that there is just not available in this world anymore a reliable pre chamber engine with around 250bhp.
Will see if Magna can sort this one out for us. They always said they can do anything if someone is prepared to pay.
And it's not like I haven't got enough work for the next 180 years.
From our last Treffen, down under:
Very nice, very nice indeed.
Have to agree with the last post - very nice fire truck indeed! Just out of interest, why would that particular 6x6 fail the 'muster'? Understand why maybe the New Forrest one might, but they have been in service for quite a while, and report are the fire services are happy with them (though they are old)- Does it have to be a G? Why not look at the Mogs? That should be able to carry the load?
HTH
Spider1V
a 4x4 sprinter or 6x6 sprinter should fit the bill and prob the most cost effective.
Independent suspension? 6x6? quick? (looking at some youtube vids they can go pretty quick offroad)
Sounds like a pinz...
West Sussex Fire and Rescue have 12 Super Gs.
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One thing I must find out is whether there is any magnesium anywhere on a G or the OM606, as that is a total no-no.
The other big question is the twin rear axle and how to do the inter-axle drive in a cost-effective way.
The cost of the bogies for the existing 6x6 G's out there are ridiculous.
So much so that it would be almost more economical to submit the tender with 2 of normal 4x4 versions, each with 500L capacity (to arrive at the 1000L requirement). There would be a distinct advantage towards crew safety in case of vehicle defect and it also means that a pincer movement can be applied to the flame front.
Other than that, any suggestions for sources of bits and how to do certain things are most welcome and appreciated.