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It seems that from one particular post, some members feel offended, and that this kind of content be removed, yet other's feel the need to post for freedom of speech, and the fact it happened in their home country maybe. The various people involved, who have been accused of being bully's or part of the witch hunt have vented their frustrations within the forum, to maybe get a reaction. People do these things in anger, and I ask that you take a deep breath for a minute. Every year there is a committee meeting, where all of you have the option of becoming a committee member , and pushing the club forward or making changes. But over the past 16 years there has been very little change in the committee, people come and go, some offer more than others in terms of content, and maybe they feel their contribution allows them to be right in their views I am on the fence as an observer, So lets be realistic here. What brings people from different creeds, backgrounds, colour, religion or political stance together..ONE CAR !.. Last year I went to Germany to visit a factory of a company that we are agents of, there were 6 of us, Me a Brit, a Pilipino, Japanese, Danish, Lebanese and a Australian. As I walked down the street with all of them we all had a common interest, these machines we were selling. It then dawned on me that we were all from different cultures and religious backgrounds, yet we were all sharing our thoughts about these machines, having a laugh and joke. I then thought if ordinary people can get on like we all were, on our way to have a meal, why the xxxx can't the world just all get on. Over the two days we all chatted about ourselves and the market we were selling in. but neither having an opinion on the other. If we did or got into the nitty gritty on other topics, maybe a debate would developed and we may have started arguing about human rights, politics or whatever. Whilst the atrocities in France were bad, this shit happens everywhere on a daily basis, so does it warrant a post every time something happens ? If I posted stuff about people being shot here in Bahrain, who would actually give a xxxx !..no , because it doesn't affect you. So does a post Je sues charlie need to be posted on the GWOA...not really, but I chose to ignore it and look elsewhere, am I bothered that someone belongs to some anti monarch forum that spews anti royalism..nope it doesn't bother me at all, everyone has an opinion, but do we need to know about it, what reason is there to advertise this is your belief ?...support ? to encourage others to follow suit ?. Thats how ISIS started. I'm pretty sure if there was a member on here that had the ISIS flag in his signature you would all kick up a stink, this is also freedom of expression and speech, but I bet there would be more opposition to this member than any other. So how far does freedom of speech and expression go within the club ?..and who determines what is Ok within the club ? I'm my opinion, the GWOA is for topics on G wagons and the politics outside the G Wagen arena should be expressed elsewhere, but because most of you are familiar which each other, friends then maybe you feel comfortable in making it a "social network" site to express your thoughts, and others will reply by saying i agree..but then one member might say.. I am a muslim and I feel Mohammed should not be made a cartoon character...so what next..a whole can of worms and abuse would follow..and here we have the proof why its better to keep that stuff elsewhere. To call someone a pathetic bully is uncalled for, and the subsequent resignation, along with members wanting to leave, and saying this publicly has only shown to other members that this club is full people that can't be grown up about this, that things can't be resolved off the forum, its got way out of hand. However, if it takes these comments to make the committee to listen, then is it a bad thing ? Let this be a lesson for the future, keep the GWOA close, give advice, encourage people to the club, keep members that give useful info and at least listen..instead of defending a friends comments when the bigger picture needs to be adhered to for all members, and not just the core ones, to prevent such instances such as these. Its a forum about a car we all have a common interest in..I don't wanna know if you are an alcoholic and believe in child sex, that don't cure my window screen leak !

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Oh.. and if anyones interested..i belong to the Long hairy balls group, we believe in hairy genitals.

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Re: Calm down everyone..take a deep breath and chill....

But it's amazing even aft this couple of weeks of brewing, that the admin havn't come online and drawn a line in the sand.

 

As you say, this is a G forum, so maybe there should be NO association with clubs/beliefs/religions or whatever at the bottom of peoples posts.

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Ian, comparing a group that is anti monarchy and ISIS is ludicrous, and a wee bit offensive. However I am not easily offended so I'll just put it down to you being yourself. Most of what you have written is valid and eminently sensible, the problem though is that everything in life is political with a small p and none of us can do anything about it, nor can we prevent it creeping into debates.

Religion and politics creep in too though most subject focused forums do try to limit their effect and have rules relating to racism, sexism or other personally abusive behaviors. I belief the outrage against my link to republic is phony, why would a proud Irishman like Eddie be offended, what interest is it to Axel a Dutchman, none at all would be my best guess, nor is the organisation party political, it has members from all political parties. The reason why its been raised though is definitely political with a small p, There are people on this forum running businesses that promote diesel conversions, I am not hostile to this as such, but I have some concerns that they are using the forum to promote their work, especially if they themselves are also Committee members. Placing an advert promoting a business side by side with being a Committee member implies endorsement by the GWOA this poses risks, probably not significant risk but a risk non the less should a dissatisfied customer decide that they went to this business because of what they saw on this website. Even a small legal bill could destroy this organisation. 

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Axel is Dutch surprise cheeky ?

 

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if I'm wrong my apologies to Axel, blush

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My comparison is purely hyperthetical, and in no way is it to be compared that one is worse, less or on par with the other, but purely to highlight links in signatures. If a member on here was to have a link with ISIS website we would find him a nutter who needs to be removed from the forum. So first off why do you feel the need to have the link in your signature ?. You may say because you can, or you have the right, and you do, its not offensive, or is it ?.

But ask yourself why ?, I would assume you want to let people know that we are mad to allow a democracy to give tax payers money to these very priviledge people, but do you think you will see it change in our life time, no it won't. I personally think you are wasting your time on such matters, the same reason I see educated people believe in their imaginary friend called God. But if it makes them happy so be it, but do we need a link ?

If someone asks if there is a good garage that can service my car, are you saying as a member I shouldn't recommend this garage from my own personal experiences ?, if it all goes pear shaped who is liable ? me for recommending that garage? or the club for allowing me to reply to a post ?.

We all know about the fixwin sceanrio, and if the chairman/committee had listened to Huss, they would have saved a few other members the costly repairs with poor results, yet one member was happy with fixwins work, a case of you can't please all of the people all of the time perhaps ? 

Some years back the G wagen centre (Geoff) wanted to do G wizz, so a bunch of us went down to see him, so see what he was about. In the end we felt if we gave him G wizz he would use it as a means to and end, for his own commercial gain, and when he was told he couldn't do G Wizz , he wanted nothing more to do with the GWOA. It turns out he was a bit of a shark also. So a good decision from the committee.

I don't know Axel, but only read good things about him, and his conversions, has anyone over the time that Axel has been a member got a bad word to say about him or his work ? I've no idea, but if he is as good as they say he is, then it can only be a benefit to the members surely.

Lets be honest, wether he does it as a business or not, people will go to have a conversion done because of what they read and the feed back others have given. Is the club promoting his business by allowing him to post his conversions on an open forum ?. GWOA is a ltd company so that joe blogs cannot sue any individual that may feel the need, because they have been wrongly advised or a company has been promoted on here. I'm not fussed if people use this forum to promote their business that involves improving the G wagen, if there was more than one person that could do this, then we would have fight on our hands, with them both competing, competition is healthy.

Lets not confuse good people, who's intentions are to give good advice and give quality work, to those people who are sharks. This is where the forum works, to point people in the right direction, or to advise people to avoid, but ultimately the decision lies with the member themselves. But as far as the committee stands they should listen to people that have complaints towards members that are out to purely screw you,rather than ignore it. iIl say that its the club interests to protect members. I'm sure if they felt Axel was a rouge trader this would have been discovered some time ago, no ?

Destroy this organisation ?..come on its a forum..if its Ltd business...you close GWOA one day and open GWOA/2015 the next, I think you are over reacting and would it really come to this, I very much doubt it. I would say I have upset the most people on here over the years, due to my SOH,some are more sensitive than others. I'm of a type  that will say, stop being stupid, man up and get on with it. The committee do not reply openly for various reasons, and when there is no or little reaction then the disgruntled member then post his/her feelings for all to see, on the hope the committee will listen. I do wonder at times why they are not more vocal, but I'm sure they have there valid reasons, or would hope they have !

 

 

 

 

 

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As you well know I have had that moniker at the end of my posts as long as you have had your offensive message on yours. I suggest you read my post again, I have criticized no one nor have I complained about anyone either up front or behind peoples backs, all I have drawn attention to is "potential" risk. Just accept that you are incorrect on this as you are on so much elsecrying

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yes you have, and i dont have a problem with it..All i ask is why do you feel the need for the link, not an un reasonable question is it ?.I have no link, just a stupid nonsense statement that means "F" all.

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I agree with Peter's post generally and with the "take a breath and chill" specifically; after all "Je Suis Charlie" is about tolerance (and not about politics).  

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As I said in another post... maybe the sensible thing, would be for NO links in peoples threads, unless it's G or mechanical or MB related.

 

Yes, you might complain it quashes your "freedom of speech"... tough, get over it.  How about our freedom of not wanting to read it?

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don't click it, you don't have to read it, its been there far longer than you've been a member, I find your flag offensive, it implies UKIP or BNP or Britain First, is that where you are coming from?

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   agree with you jim, i really do not want to pay 25 pounds a year to read someone elses political b/s.

   this is a mercedes g wagen forum for g wagen owners to discuss g wagens  - it is not some sort of free for all .

   clubgwagen do not allow anything other than g wagen related chat and business and you never hear anyone  bleating about freedom of speech or suchlike  and that is an american based site / land of the free etc etc.

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union jack means great britain...england scotland and wales...thats offensive ?

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you still haven't ansered my question...why have you got it there ?..you know it opens up possiblity's to discuss differences of opinion..does it not ?

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So does your disparaging remark about people you call tree huggers, your real problem is that you are not equipped to argue on the subject

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forget it...there is no point in carrying on this senseless areguement..its just proved my point entirely.

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ian...remember when we had that day out with the boys and mark scoffed most of the dolmas !! :))) i remember a member at the time coming up to me and saying..." hey, i thought you werent mates with ian?? you guys are always digging each other.." i said " no way man....ian is a blinding geezer ! we love a qaurrel, and yer hes english, but hes still a nice bloke...hahahaha...! "

 

i go along with what ian says, i am a practising muslim. proud of it too. but not extreme. i ignore critics on religion and even the imam at the mosque if i think hes talking crap..! 

 

two wrongs dont make a right...we can all make mistakes. and im sure i do too. but the signature below my threads means alot.

 

i truely believe that personal stuff should be kept personal. or pm the shit out of each other if you want to. but dont do it here. its a shame...i miss the good times we had on the forum. and the members that have left us, like tim , and bill and many more.

 

admin and commitee should act a bit quicker. and be very strict on certain discussions.

 

i personally would like to see eddie back on board. and i dont want to prwales to be offended by ian's points. and i dont believe fred made a mistake putting up that post either..lets just all be helpful and calm in our actions.

 

may ALLAH keep us on the right path and protect us from evil.

 

WHERE THERES A WILL THERES A WAY...

 

rgds hus

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don't click it, you don't have to read it, its been there far longer than you've been a member, I find your flag offensive, it implies UKIP or BNP or Britain First, is that where you are coming from?

      this is a forum created and managed for g wagen owners /   this political /pedantic material has no place on a small car club forum .

   i really think you are showing yourself up as being obsessive and more importantly embarrassing  those who have chosen to support you in this frankly ridiculous demonstration of proving how you have the absolute right to promote your personal beliefs on a (i repeat) small car club forum.

    do you really believe any of the g wagen enthusiasts who frequent this forum are a willing audience for this ???

     are you really advancing your causes by doing this on a (i repeat) small car club forum?

     take your politics and related  links  to the appropriate forums that are better placed to 'air' your points of view because this is as i repeat for the last time this is a small car club forum not    'speakers corner' .

   not many of the members want to pay £25 a year to read content like this on a g wagen forum - they come here for as the gentleman on a nearby post pointed out help and advice with owning and running their pride and joy g wagen they i feel sure are not wanting to know your opinion on the honesty of the uk police force or how the royal family should be removed .

   sadly you seem unable to grasp the point and as you said- you refuse to remove your link and as you are backed up by the committee  hence  it is very likely you will haunt us all with your politics forever more .

   what a nause.

   

    

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Saw this 

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I'm guessing Paul, your a Scot living in Wales, and that you find the Union Jack offensive, wanted Scottish independnce and hate the monarchy for their history in Scotland, or the british govenrment too, I base that on your comments about the Union Jack being offensive. I maybe clutching at straws here, but i will reiterate my comments, no matter what we believe, we throw that aside when all members come together when talking about the g wagon. I have no opinion of you as I've never met you, and you should not me. But some people have picked up on your link, and its has only been negative response and therefore people will have an immediate opinion of you, without having ever met you. Sure, who gives a s##t, but sometimes its best to leave politics out of a forum as is causes arguments, rightly or wrongly. What you don't know, you don't worry about.
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just so I am clear..the link was backed up by the moderators and not the whole committee ?..there is a difference. Moderators do not represent all the committee, and its the moderators that moderate..Correct ?

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Thanks Huss your comments are the only sensible one put forward on this thread.

Ian has always laid claim to being the rudest person on the forum, what he has shown is that he can dish it our but can't take it.

Axel your comments border on the intemperate, this is not a political thread, if you want to discuss your beliefs post a dedicated thread and I'll happily accommodate you, if you find the situation so unbearable, just leave, I for one won't miss your boring and never ending self promotion

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prwales wrote:

Thanks Huss your comments are the only sensible one put forward on this thread.

Ian has always laid claim to being the rudest person on the forum, what he has shown is that he can dish it our but can't take it.

Axel your comments border on the intemperate, this is not a political thread, if you want to discuss your beliefs post a dedicated thread and I'll happily accommodate you, if you find the situation so unbearable, just leave, I for one won't miss your boring and never ending self promotion

You are out of order lad , Axel has done a shit load on here than u talking bullshit politics, its to do with G Wagens, admin do somethin about this, i'll be off too, can't do knobhead comments !
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Take what..explain what you are giving and ill reply..ive yet to see what have to reply to...?
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hmmm.....

i sense a hurricane coming....

 

 

:(

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Nah....threads run its course now...move a long.
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3 feet of snow expected today and tomorrow on East coast of America.

Perfect weather for a G.

 

 

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Nah....threads run its course now...move a long.
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prwales wrote:

 

don't click it, you don't have to read it, its been there far longer than you've been a member, I find your flag offensive, it implies UKIP or BNP or Britain First, is that where you are coming from?

 

 

      this is a forum created and managed for g wagen owners /   this political /pedantic material has no place on a small car club forum .

   i really think you are showing yourself up as being obsessive and more importantly embarrassing  those who have chosen to support you in this frankly ridiculous demonstration of proving how you have the absolute right to promote your personal beliefs on a (i repeat) small car club forum.

    do you really believe any of the g wagen enthusiasts who frequent this forum are a willing audience for this ???

     are you really advancing your causes by doing this on a (i repeat) small car club forum?

     take your politics and related  links  to the appropriate forums that are better placed to 'air' your points of view because this is as i repeat for the last time this is a small car club forum not    'speakers corner' .

   not many of the members want to pay £25 a year to read content like this on a g wagen forum - they come here for as the gentleman on a nearby post pointed out help and advice with owning and running their pride and joy g wagen they i feel sure are not wanting to know your opinion on the honesty of the uk police force or how the royal family should be removed .

   sadly you seem unable to grasp the point and as you said- you refuse to remove your link and as you are backed up by the committee  hence  it is very likely you will haunt us all with your politics forever more .

   what a nause.

   

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    common decency prevents  me from entering into further comment apon this member 'prwales'

    i hope i speak for the majority of gwoa forum and 'red banner' full members  when i ask the committee to make a rapid but workable change to club rules so there is no repeat of this disgraceful episode ever again ,the rule changes will make it  straight forward and easy for a moderator to be able to stop any attempt to make political or religious posts on this g wagen forum.

    i personally do not want to read political or religious threads on a g wagen forum and i hope you feel the same.

    

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Could not agree more and just feel very sad that it has come to this, but inaction in any shape or form was never going to solve the problem as was painfully discovered

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Question time and newsnight is on the BBC not the GWOA ! P S Well said Axel and Audiominx
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+1 yesyes

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axel wrote:

    common decency prevents  me from entering into further comment apon this member 'prwales'

    i hope i speak for the majority of gwoa forum and 'red banner' full members  when i ask the committee to make a rapid but workable change to club rules so there is no repeat of this disgraceful episode ever again ,the rule changes will make it  straight forward and easy for a moderator to be able to stop any attempt to make political or religious posts on this g wagen forum.

    i personally do not want to read political or religious threads on a g wagen forum and i hope you feel the same.

    

Mike

I find it  quite ironic that you now want to be seen as the voice of reason when it was you and your obvious dislike of prwales that started all of this nonsense off in the first place.

Unfortunately because some of your supporters on the committee decided to selectively release information onto the forum when they were not getting their own way GWOA members are now left wondering what is going on or are making assumptions with out being in possession of all the facts.

A proposal is being put to the remaining committee members to amend the written terms and conditions of the forum so that political or religious posts and links will no longer be allowed. This is the correct and fair way to make changes to the way the forum is moderated. 

The principal behind the moderation of this club forum is that the moderators must act in a fair and even handed way guided by the written terms and conditions that every one has to agree to when they sign up.  They should not be called upon to censure a member simply because that person may have a different opinion to the rest of us. I am sure that is the only way the GWOA membership would want the forum to be run.

Doug.

Doug. 

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Wrong .
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bigblock wrote:

axel wrote:

    common decency prevents  me from entering into further comment apon this member 'prwales'

    i hope i speak for the majority of gwoa forum and 'red banner' full members  when i ask the committee to make a rapid but workable change to club rules so there is no repeat of this disgraceful episode ever again ,the rule changes will make it  straight forward and easy for a moderator to be able to stop any attempt to make political or religious posts on this g wagen forum.

    i personally do not want to read political or religious threads on a g wagen forum and i hope you feel the same.

    

Mike

I find it  quite ironic that you now want to be seen as the voice of reason when it was you and your obvious dislike of prwales that started all of this nonsense off in the first place.

Unfortunately because some of your supporters on the committee decided to selectively release information onto the forum when they were not getting their own way GWOA members are now left wondering what is going on or are making assumptions with out being in possession of all the facts.

A proposal is being put to the remaining committee members to amend the written terms and conditions of the forum so that political or religious posts and links will no longer be allowed. This is the correct and fair way to make changes to the way the forum is moderated. 

The principal behind the moderation of this club forum is that the moderators must act in a fair and even handed way guided by the written terms and conditions that every one has to agree to when they sign up.  They should not be called upon to censure a member simply because that person may have a different opinion to the rest of us. I am sure that is the only way the GWOA membership would want the forum to be run.

Doug.

Doug. 

Thinking of the bigger picture, discounting personal and emotional feelings etc, I think this is good start and as a relatively long standing member, and has my support in trying to fix whatever has gone wrong to date.

Spider1V

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That's the way, blame me for having the nerve to not want b.s. politics on a g wagen forum. That really helps things to calm the waters.
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Had some of the committee had the courage of their conviction to respond to me when I questioned their highly offensive and completely false allegations, I may have stayed in situ. I sing to no-one else's tune and make my own decisions. A committee should take into account the views of ALL it's members, not just those whose faces fit.
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axel wrote:
That's the way, blame me for having the nerve to not want b.s. politics on a g wagen forum. That really helps things to calm the waters.

Axel,

As a fellow member of the Tuffty and Spectre club, no one is blaming you, all I see is that the remaining committee members are trying to clear up the  hotch-potch over the recent weeks. Now there is a space for a new southern rep, why not apply? It would be a great addition to both the technical help as well the the great work you have done helping members not get ripped off by 'dodgy dealers' (current count is 8 in the last 9 months alone!).

Would allow some good input to the GWOA for the future.

Spider1V

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axel wrote:
That's the way, blame me for having the nerve to not want b.s. politics on a g wagen forum. That really helps things to calm the waters.

Mike 

I think you can at least admit you didn't like prwales or what he had to say, you have already said as much in your other posts. 

Yours was the only complaint about the link in his tagline in the seven years he has had it. It was only after the moderators didn't support your complaint that all this kicked off. 

Lots of people didn't like him or what he said but as long as he stayed within the rules he was entitled to his opinions. The forums has survived for 16 years without the need for a lot of rules and heavy handed moderation and now because you are apparently 'outraged and offended' by a ridiculous link that no one had ever even noticed before we have all of this crap going on.

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Mike wasn't the only one to complain,he had a go about diesel jim's union jack and a few other members, I'll put a liver bird up and ill get shot down by a Man utd fan, lets get to the point is its a small car forum, im not here to be poked at by some tit with a lap top hiding behind his couch, let close this bollocks now, talk cars for God sake

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To quote mick dundee... Its like 2 fleas fighting over the dog they live on.... The relevance is in there somewhere.
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scouse g wrote:

Mike wasn't the only one to complain,he had a go about diesel jim's union jack and a few other members, I'll put a liver bird up and ill get shot down by a Man utd fan, lets get to the point is its a small car forum, im not here to be poked at by some tit with a lap top hiding behind his couch, let close this bollocks now, talk cars for God sake

 

Mike was the only one to complain in the first place, which is what started all of this off. That is the point I am making.

I am more than happy to get back to normal but not with Mike walking away from this as if it had nothing to do with him.

 

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nedvaughan wrote:
To quote mick dundee... Its like 2 fleas fighting over the dog they live on.... The relevance is in there somewhere.

 

I prefer his other quote..... "you can eat it, but it tastes like sh!t"  laugh

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Ill have you know this is not a small car forum, but a big square rufty tufty 4x4 that also comes as a 6x6..small car indeed..how very dare you !

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Spider1V wrote:

axel wrote:
That's the way, blame me for having the nerve to not want b.s. politics on a g wagen forum. That really helps things to calm the waters.

Axel,

As a fellow member of the Tuffty and Spectre club, no one is blaming you, all I see is that the remaining committee members are trying to clear up the  hotch-potch over the recent weeks. Now there is a space for a new southern rep, why not apply? It would be a great addition to both the technical help as well the the great work you have done helping members not get ripped off by 'dodgy dealers' (current count is 8 in the last 9 months alone!).

Would allow some good input to the GWOA for the future.

Spider1V

joe , i think you will find your mate 'bigblock' is blaming me if you read his posts .

   this was down to poor terms and conditions that were not 'fit for purpose '

   the irony of being picked out  for complaining about a post and a link that the rules are being changed as we speak to prevent being on the gwoa is just absurd .

    enjoy .

  

   

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axel wrote:

 , i think you will find your mate 'bigblock' is blaming me if you read his posts .

   this was down to poor terms and conditions that were not 'fit for purpose '

   the irony of being picked out  for complaining about a post and a link that the rules are being changed as we speak to prevent being on the gwoa is just absurd .

    enjoy . 

   

 

That is actually my point, the only reason that they are having to be changed is because you made such a fuss about them in the first place which is what started this whole sorry episode.

I am not having a go at you for the sake of it I just think that you need to take some responsibility for the events that you set in motion which caused the disagreements we have all been dealing with.

Decent people have resigned and friends have fallen out because you would not accept the moderators decision about a foolish link from a foolish person and this whole thing was then blown completely out of proportion.

 

 

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bigblock wrote:

Decent people have resigned and friends have fallen out because you would not accept the moderators decision about a foolish link from a foolish person and this whole thing was then blown completely out of proportion.

 

Well if said person was so foolish, then it doesn't really give much weight to the moderators decision does it, not to do anything until it was all too late.frown

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diesel_jim wrote:

bigblock wrote:

Decent people have resigned and friends have fallen out because you would not accept the moderators decision about a foolish link from a foolish person and this whole thing was then blown completely out of proportion.

 

Well if said person was so foolish, then it doesn't really give much weight to the moderators decision does it, not to do anything until it was all too late.frown

Oh dear someone is disagreeing with me on the internet I better complain to the moderators  angel

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Off you trot  then broken heart