606 box
which manual gearbox suits the 460 606 engine build and from which car does it come from ?
I am not sure of the box, but I read many places that you need the higher ratio back axle in a 460, in order to make use of the torque without running out of revs at low speeds.
However, I am not sure how that works when you select 4x4, or what you do for a 463 permanent 4x4.
For the box, presumably anything that had the 6060 engine also had a paired and fitting box so that would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM606_engine
E300, S300, G300
Unfortunately OM606 turbo only got an Automatic box from factory
And lower ratio axles
4.1 or 4.4 as opposed to 4.8 or higher
Lots of info here if you spend a little time searching
the 722.6 can be a very strong box, so if you're going for a 300hp or so manual pump I do think the auto suits - as a compromise would you consider using a tiptronic box from say an ml63, these still work with the ofgear controllers. This is what I was going to use in mine, but I recently sold my e300td
However to answer your question regarding strictly manual box: the 722.6 and 722.3 share a bolt pattern to engine I understand, but the 722.4 is different (I know these are auto but bare with me). As I had been investigating "plan B" if my 280ge auto trans is foobarred, and because i also thought it would be fun to megasquirt and supercharge it, I discovered that I could get a plate machined up to mate a 722.6 tiptronic to the m110. Essentially then, you could do the inverse and get a billet bolt plate machined up to take you from an om606 to a 722.4. If that's possible, then it must also be possible to do the same for the original manual box that came with a 460? I think you'd need to keep the flywheel from the manual 460 and mate that to the om606 though which could be a sticking point, I don't know.
I will eventually om606 convert mine, but I decided to have some fun with the petrol for the next few years at least. I will definitely use a 722.6 tiptronic because of strength mainly, but also because i do quite like an auto
Something else that may be of interest. I researched manual boxes for an m113 a while back as I'd like to build a manual 190e v8 track car. The box to go for in this case is a 6 speed manual from a slk230. Again, this is relevant because both om606.96x and m113 were mated to 722.6xx transmissions.
Check of course, but I think a 6 speed manual could be too many gears. I mentioned the 722.3 bolt pattern as actually all else being equal it might be preferable to opt for an earlier 4 or 5 speed manual fitted to a car that also came with a 722.3 trans option (I don't know what's available and how strong they are!) given that the w460 was designed for 4 and 5 speeds, and that the om606 likes to rev. A 6 speed manual might find gears too close together?
Do your own research is all I will say...
Without being disrespectful most of what is written above is inaccurate
That SLK230 box will not fit an M113 and in any case would probably not be strong enough
And all 722.6xx boxes do not share the same bolt pattern
OM606 and M113 are very different for starters that's why you have all the 722.6xx with the xx being the specifics as to the chassis and engine application
Its a bit like DIY do your research, research some more and then go and research some more.... it is sometimes trial and error !
And don't be mislead by wiki , forums and other web content... there is as much if not more inaccurate info out there as correct!
In the interest only of helping the OP and not getting into an argument on the internet:
manual from m112 slk320 on a m113: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/manual-box-on-to-an-m113-v8-anyone-don...
OP note also that although the e300td did not come with a manual, 5 and 6 speed manuals were available on pre and post facelift 210s respectively (V6 petrol on this was also an m112)
I think I covered that autos are stronger than manuals for Mercedes, I'm sure the OP already knew this
Gav you are correct that I mispoke on bolt patterns to engines, that should be torque converter.
The ml55 trans is a better option than the original trans that went with the e300td to suit going from 177hp to 300hp as I am assuming is the intention - if you are willing to concede for a semi-automatic over a true manual, I don't really think that's up for contention.
OP I've tried to give you areas to look and I thought I'd made it clear that I was just trying to help with the filtering process, I can't give you a comprehensive answer. My order of priorities would be:
Does it physically fit in the space
Will it be strong enough for the application
How will the ratios affect driveability
As a slight curve ball, how fixed are you to keeping a mercedes engine in a mercedes? I am clearly a huge fan of the om606 but in terms of simplicity, you may find it easier to go for an M57 - a complete 330d manual donor car can be had for the same money as a bare om606 on a pallet. Not directly answering your question I know and if it must be the om606 then fair enough but I think this is the route that would get the project on the road fastest.
Have you asked on the superturbodiesel forum? I know people that have om606 swapped early Sprinters and they just retained the original gearbox in that case, just with a different flywheel. Also I know that in 124 swaps the bmw zf5 is popular, whether it fits here is something else altogether though
It's the 716.654 you need from 270cdi CLK or C220 cdi use the clutch and flywheel from the same car. Don't use anything with the side cable. Or the cable shift from Vito/Sprinter.
Any petrol gearbox is wrong too they are vertically aligned not slanted like diesels.
hope this helps, Gordon
No arguments required here...
Was just stating that your original post says an SLK230 box onto an M113 V8
The 4 cylinder SLK230 box is not strong enough and won't bolt to an M113
Your last post changes that to an SLk320 box that yes mates to the M112 V6 and will also mate to its V8 big brother the M113 although the factory only made a couple of special M113 manuals and all series production was auto
Maybe it was a typo... all I was pointing out is there is a lot if not more incorrect and inaccurate information on the web so be happy with your own research and don't just blindly follow what you read
He would have been disappointed to purchase an SLk 230 box only to find it won't fit
Something else that may be of interest. I researched manual boxes for an m113 a while back as I'd like to build a manual 190e v8 track car. The box to go for in this case is a 6 speed manual from a slk230. Again, this is relevant because both om606.96x and m113 were mated to 722.6xx transmissions.
Check of course, but I think a 6 speed manual could be too many gears. I mentioned the 722.3 bolt pattern as actually all else being equal it might be preferable to opt for an earlier 4 or 5 speed manual fitted to a car that also came with a 722.3 trans option (I don't know what's available and how strong they are!) given that the w460 was designed for 4 and 5 speeds, and that the om606 likes to rev. A 6 speed manual might find gears too close together?
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